That seems about right. It is a demographic problem.
Mr White seems to think Ann said there was no crime in Belgium.
That is NOT what she said.
The lefts response would be it’s racism in this country responsible for the minorities being so violent.
My solution would be to start the American Minority Repatration Act of 2013, to mandate immediate that all the ill-treated minorities (blacks, hispanics) will be sent back to their home countries where they can flourish and prosper in those safer, superior, native uptopian communities free of white American racism.
Political correctness forbids us from having a frank discussion about the issues involved here. You aren’t allowed to say that black on black violence, minority youth gang violence, etc. happens more frequently than such violence among whites. We have to be politically correct.
The left is outraged about this, not because of the facts of the situation, but because saying such things violates politically correct theology. The left does this all the time. The left is “offended” and “outraged” by certain comments, but do not address the content of said comments. We’re supposed to be silenced because the left gets offended.
Because Malik Zulu Shabazz isn't one perhaps.
“Throw a rock into a pack of dogs, and the one that yells is the one that got hit.”
This has been quietly suggested for years.
If you drew a circle of 800 miles around Iowa....you’d find statistics very similar to France or Germany, in terms of violence and murder.
If you draw a 800 mile circle around DC...to include Baltimore, Prince Georges County, and Montgomery county....you’ve got over 600 people killed on average a year. The assault and robbery numbers would be a national disgrace. Thankfully....no one gathers statistics like this.
It also works the same way for carbon footprints. If you were curious....most southern state have a carbon footprint similar to Germany or France. Then you come to Cal and Conn, which have tremendous footprints, because of the number of older coal plants and the amount of carbon they produce. Over thirty US states would be considered pro-active and carbon friendly....if they weren’t lumped into the same group with Conn and Cal.
Actually, I read a fairly definitive study that said just that. Gun violence is a demographic issue.
This is fact that can be easily demonstrated. It’s not racism. The numbers are there.
Take the non anglo groups out of the mix and you have 90 million white Americans with a gun violence rate as low as any of the predominately white European gun control states.
Simple facts that are not permitted in our Orwellian paradise.
What little excerpt of the article that was posted seems little more than an ad hominem attack-the-messenger reply. There is no discussion, at least in the excerpt, about whether Ann’s claim is, or is not, true based on actual numbers.
The race hustlers need something to complain about everyday.
When a conservative does the same thing to point out that murder rates differ considerably between "persons of color," murder victims and perps, and the racial disparities.
Yeah. That’s not a new statistic. It applies to most nationalities though. Americans of English descent are less likely to commit murder than English in England. Even Camaroonians in the US are less likely to commit murder than Camaroonians in Camaroon.
If you compare black on black murder rates we are on par with Nigeria.
That just goes to show that minorities in America have the greatest problem with gun violence. Maybe minorities should deal with their cultural problems instead of finding ways to blame others, or counting on others to do it for them. Ann’s statement is consistent with crime statistics in general, and it reflects the percentages of minorities incarcerated for violent crimes. There is no need for a knee jerk reaction about racism. Sometimes the truth is necessary for solving problems, something the left knows little about.
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to.html
Thursday, January 03, 2013
European Murder Rates Compared to the United States: Demographics vs Guns
When the subject is gun control, those who demand more for the United States always point to Europe. Europe, they say, has more gun control than the United States, and lower murder rates. Europe, of course, is a diverse place. Some places have lots of guns and low murder rates. Some places have few guns and higher murder rates. The reason that many developed European countries have murder rates much lower than the United States is not guns or gun control. It is demographics.
In 2006 the Department of Justice issued a report on violent felons in large urban counties. It covered the period from 1990 to 2002, and included the 75 most populous counties in the United States. The study accounted for over half of all the murders in the United States in the covered period.
Revealed in the study was a simple breakdown of the demographics of the murderers that is not commonly available. Murderers were divided into three groups. Blacks were the most numerous at 46%. Hispanics were next at 27 percent. Non-Hispanic whites were last at 23 percent.
While the study does not account for all murders in the period studied, it accounts for more than half and almost certainly slightly understates the percentages of Black murderers, because the latest FBI statistics (for 2010) show that when all the murders in the U.S are taken into account, the percentage of Black murderers is over 53 percent.
No one would dispute that there are several distinct cultures among the American black population. No one would dispute that none of these cultures exist in Europe in any statistically significant numbers. Some of the Black American subcultures probably have very low murder rates. We cannot tell because we do not have the data to distinguish between them.
Similarly, there are a number of distinct Hispanic cultures in the United States. These are all derived from cultures in Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean. They are not Spanish or Portuguese. No one would argue that any statistical number of these populations exist in Europe. No doubt, some of these cultures also have very low murder rates, but without data, we cannot separate them out.
Where does that lead us? If we take the 23 percent figure for non-Hispanic whites to be representative for the entire population (remember, it is likely a good bit lower), then the number of murders committed by non-Hispanic and non-black people in the United States for 2010 would be 2989.
The population of non-Hispanic whites for 2010 was 196.8 million. Applying the 2989 murders to this population gives a murder rate of 1.52 per 100,000 population. We cannot get a more precise figure unless we have more demographic data than that given. Asian-Americans, for example, have historically had very low murder rates, but we do not have the data. The 1.52 per 100,000 murder rate is right in the middle of the murder rate of developed European countries. Add the Black and Hispanic numbers back into the mix and apply to the entire United States population, and the murder rate goes up to 4.2 per 100,000. Guns or gun control simply do not correlate to higher murder rates, particularly when you consider that non-Hispanic Whites own guns at much higher rates than do Blacks or Hispanics in the United States.
There are huge numbers of German-Americans, English-Americans, Greek-Americans, Italian-Americans, Scandinavian and Swiss-Americans in the United States. There are no statistically significant numbers of African-American or Hispanic-Americans in Europe.
As a check, you might consider a non-European example. Japan has extreme gun control and extremely low murder rates. The FBI used to track murders by Japanese-Americans before 1980, when access to firearms was relatively easy.
The murder rate of Japanese Americans was less than half that of Japanese in Japan.
Murder rates are driven by cultural background, not by the instrument used.
So, when the NJ state police conducted a study by taking photos of speeders on the NJ turnpike and found that an extraordinary number, versus the total population of drivers and speeders were black, the study, done by cameras and radar was “Racist”.
It was quickly hushed up.
The year 2012 was the first year in the USA that the death of White people out numbered the birth of White people.
It’s not racial, it’s cultural. A culture that idolizes thuggery will breed thugs. This is the predominant black culture of today.
Whites don’t fare any better. We idolize stupidity (Kardashians), and we breed idiocy.
Um, lower chance of being a victim of violent crime?
Am I right?
Mr. White seems to think that Ann Coulter’s mention of an accurate statistic proves that she does not care about black murders. I will ignore his diseased logic and just say that he misses Ann’s obvious point: If you want to reduce the number of murders, it is critically important to focus your efforts on the people who are committing those crimes. Has the anti-gun left been doing that? Of course not. They have been going after the mostly white NRA members who, as Ann’s statistic shows, are not the source of the problem.
The only thing that matters to me is, “Is it true?” If it’s true, then let it be said. If it’s not, of course, it deserves disdain. But truth is the only criterion.