Ann Coulter: "If you compare white populations, we have the same murder rate as Belgium"

http://www.theroot.com ^ | January 15, 2013 | Elon White

[B4Ranch]

To say I'm shocked at Coulter's assertion would just be a lie. This is Ann Coulter. She says ridiculous nonsense on a regular basis. But on top of her magically ridiculous statements, the oh-so-reasonable Sean Hannity -- the host who should rein in commentary on his show that has gone completely off the rails -- simply let her statement stand. Sure, she just said that gun violence is an issue only with communities of color, but whatever.

Since when are people of color Americans? If gun violence affects only them (which it doesn't), then we don't really need to address it!

So, quick question: With these shining staples of the right wing, why should nonwhites feel comfortable with the Republican Party again?

[ChildOfThe60s]

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to.html

Thursday, January 03, 2013
European Murder Rates Compared to the United States: Demographics vs Guns

When the subject is gun control, those who demand more for the United States always point to Europe. Europe, they say, has more gun control than the United States, and lower murder rates. Europe, of course, is a diverse place. Some places have lots of guns and low murder rates. Some places have few guns and higher murder rates. The reason that many developed European countries have murder rates much lower than the United States is not guns or gun control. It is demographics.

In 2006 the Department of Justice issued a report on violent felons in large urban counties. It covered the period from 1990 to 2002, and included the 75 most populous counties in the United States. The study accounted for over half of all the murders in the United States in the covered period.

Revealed in the study was a simple breakdown of the demographics of the murderers that is not commonly available. Murderers were divided into three groups. Blacks were the most numerous at 46%. Hispanics were next at 27 percent. Non-Hispanic whites were last at 23 percent.

While the study does not account for all murders in the period studied, it accounts for more than half and almost certainly slightly understates the percentages of Black murderers, because the latest FBI statistics (for 2010) show that when all the murders in the U.S are taken into account, the percentage of Black murderers is over 53 percent.

No one would dispute that there are several distinct cultures among the American black population. No one would dispute that none of these cultures exist in Europe in any statistically significant numbers. Some of the Black American subcultures probably have very low murder rates. We cannot tell because we do not have the data to distinguish between them.

Similarly, there are a number of distinct Hispanic cultures in the United States. These are all derived from cultures in Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean. They are not Spanish or Portuguese. No one would argue that any statistical number of these populations exist in Europe. No doubt, some of these cultures also have very low murder rates, but without data, we cannot separate them out.

Where does that lead us? If we take the 23 percent figure for non-Hispanic whites to be representative for the entire population (remember, it is likely a good bit lower), then the number of murders committed by non-Hispanic and non-black people in the United States for 2010 would be 2989.

The population of non-Hispanic whites for 2010 was 196.8 million. Applying the 2989 murders to this population gives a murder rate of 1.52 per 100,000 population. We cannot get a more precise figure unless we have more demographic data than that given. Asian-Americans, for example, have historically had very low murder rates, but we do not have the data. The 1.52 per 100,000 murder rate is right in the middle of the murder rate of developed European countries. Add the Black and Hispanic numbers back into the mix and apply to the entire United States population, and the murder rate goes up to 4.2 per 100,000. Guns or gun control simply do not correlate to higher murder rates, particularly when you consider that non-Hispanic Whites own guns at much higher rates than do Blacks or Hispanics in the United States.

There are huge numbers of German-Americans, English-Americans, Greek-Americans, Italian-Americans, Scandinavian and Swiss-Americans in the United States. There are no statistically significant numbers of African-American or Hispanic-Americans in Europe.

As a check, you might consider a non-European example. Japan has extreme gun control and extremely low murder rates. The FBI used to track murders by Japanese-Americans before 1980, when access to firearms was relatively easy.

The murder rate of Japanese Americans was less than half that of Japanese in Japan.

Murder rates are driven by cultural background, not by the instrument used.

[Zeneta]

So, when the NJ state police conducted a study by taking photos of speeders on the NJ turnpike and found that an extraordinary number, versus the total population of drivers and speeders were black, the study, done by cameras and radar was “Racist”.

It was quickly hushed up.

[blam]

The year 2012 was the first year in the USA that the death of White people out numbered the birth of White people.

[Secret Agent Man]

I say “One Way Ticket Back, or into the middle of Lake Superior”.

[VerySadAmerican]

The slamming of Paula Deen is an update to keep the white folks in line. We must look at ourselves as RACISTS!

[B4Ranch]

Have you seen this yet?

Nanny-cam-catches-moms-ruthless-beating-home-invader-daughter-watches

I have one word for people like this. Savages. They need to be returned to their tribes where they will most certainly fall under tribal justice laws. Our laws are made for a different class of people.

[B4Ranch]

They don’t believe that they should be ruled by the White man anymore. After all, the Black King is in the White Hut now.

[B4Ranch]

You should hear what a long time, very close Black friend has to say about the situation. He’s from Savannah and knows Paula personally. His mom and her mom have been life long friends.

[Earthdweller]

"knows Paula personally"

So is she a closet creep or just a little slow upstairs with accompanying diarrhea of the mouth?

[Secret Agent Man]

different class meaning “civilized” peoples.

[SunkenCiv]

Partisan Media Shill (blogger) ping.

Thanks B4Ranch.

[B4Ranch]

I see you’ve been properly trained. When the n word is used by everyone in your community and you are a child, guess what happens. You will say it too and never think anything of it. That’s how life was for many Southerners. If you wish to believe that you are above them, please do. They won’t be offended in the least.

[Nowhere Man]

Political correctness forbids us from having a frank discussion about the issues involved here. You aren’t allowed to say that black on black violence, minority youth gang violence, etc. happens more frequently than such violence among whites. We have to be politically correct.

Tell me about it. Heck, we cannot even have a frank discussion about the Paula Deen story let alone have a discussion on this one. On Facebook, I got into it with many others (1) including my high school social studies teacher and another who pulled the "I was just a poor, black kid" Race Card, he graduated ten years after me. I did have a few supporters though. I see myself generally as a libertarian and as such I try to see people as individuals and for the most part I do unless the person is so far gone into groupism, they become a lost cause. It's a sad fact, but true, with some exceptions, many minorities favor the group over the individual and use it as weapon on society to get their ways. I know Barry Goldwater voted against Civil Rights Act of 1964 because I think he foresaw it as weapon for groups to use to get their way against individuals, other groups and society at large. It paved the way for the group to be more important than the individual or property/business owner. I think all of that started with the sit in's in the 1950's where if the owner of a business refused to serve someone of a different race. Yes, it is not a good thing to do to another person or people plus it generally cuts into the pool of dollars that business owner could tap into under our free market system, but being a property and/or business owner does have it's perks.

Like I said above, we cannot have a frank discussion on something as minor as Paula Deen let alone Travon Martin/George Zimmerman case, if we can't do that, we cannot address these issues either.

(1) - OK, spare the "I told you so's" about Facebook debates, I asked myself in retrospect, when will I ever learn? Still there are times you can't let things go unanswered.

[Earthdweller]

"When the n word is used by everyone in your community and you are a child, guess what happens."

So..it's confirmed then , diarrhea of the mouth is what cause the problem. In that case, I think she should be forgiven.

That said... I do not abide by creeps who use their region of birth as an excuse to dehumanize anyone. Lucky that tactic was not used here..eh? Have a good evening.

[PlanToDisappear]

It’s not racial, it’s cultural. A culture that idolizes thuggery will breed thugs. This is the predominant black culture of today.

Whites don’t fare any better. We idolize stupidity (Kardashians), and we breed idiocy.

[The KG9 Kid]

"... So, quick question: With these shining staples of the right wing, why should nonwhites feel comfortable with the Republican Party again?"

Um, lower chance of being a victim of violent crime?

Am I right?

[Ken H]

Take the non anglo groups out of the mix and you have 90 million white Americans with a gun violence rate as low as any of the predominately white European gun control states.

Simple facts that are not permitted in our Orwellian paradise.

A+

[donmeaker]

No, they need to suffer sudden and acute failure of the victim selection process. Saves money on gas.

So how is the George Zimmerman trial going?

[TChad]

Mr. White seems to think that Ann Coulter’s mention of an accurate statistic proves that she does not care about black murders. I will ignore his diseased logic and just say that he misses Ann’s obvious point: If you want to reduce the number of murders, it is critically important to focus your efforts on the people who are committing those crimes. Has the anti-gun left been doing that? Of course not. They have been going after the mostly white NRA members who, as Ann’s statistic shows, are not the source of the problem.

[A_perfect_lady]

The only thing that matters to me is, “Is it true?” If it’s true, then let it be said. If it’s not, of course, it deserves disdain. But truth is the only criterion.