Posted on 06/05/2013 2:21:55 AM PDT by servo1969
Dear Stacey:
You have written demanding an apology for my recent characterization of the Mormon religion as "non-Christian." I am happy to write a public letter of apology to you and to the countless Mormon readers who responded negatively to my characterization.
I am sorry that so many of my Mormon readers have brazenly accused me of ignorance of their religion and suggested that I read the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that they were unaware that I read the Book of Mormon back in 2006.
I am sorry that the science of genetics has refuted claims made in the Book of Mormon concerning the relationship between Native Americans and Semitic people. These refutations undermine the entire historical premise of the Book of Mormon.
I am also sorry that while archeological discovery supports the claims of the Bible it clearly does not support the claims of the Book of Mormon. Battles that were supposed to have occurred in specific locations in North America simply never took place. The archeological evidence just isn't there.
I am sorry about the plagiarism of the Holy Bible that runs through the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that Mormons cannot see that Joseph Smith's refusal to reveal the golden tablets is strong evidence of their nonexistence. The heavy plagiarism in the Book of Mormon puts the lie to the rest of the story of Smith, the former seeker of the lost treasures of Captain Kidd.
I am sorry that my Mormon readers have put all their eggs in one basket by constantly writing to me quoting Matthew 7:16. So I am sorry that I must now apply that verse to the very first Mormon.
I am sorry that among the 33 well-documented plural wives of Joseph Smith, there were close to a dozen unions in which the wife was already married to another man.
I am sorry that in his lifetime, Joseph Smith married four different pairs of sisters. I am sorry that Joseph Smith married a young woman and also married her mother.
I am sorry that some of Joseph Smith's marriages were the result of religious coercion secured only after he told the prospective bride that marrying him would ensure the bride’s place in heaven. I am sorry that Smith also coerced teenagers into marrying him by promising their families a place in heaven.
I am sorry that Joseph Smith kept fourteen-year-old Helen Mar Kimball from marrying her sweetheart Horace Whitney because he wanted to marry the teenager instead. I am sorry that Joseph Smith also asked Helen’s father Heber C. Kimball to give him his wife.
I am sorry that before he eventually married Helen, Joseph Smith gave her a 24-hour deadline to give in to his offer of a place in heaven. I am sorry that two years after the death of Joseph Smith, Helen married her old sweetheart Horace Whitney. I am sorry that the marriage between Helen and Horace was only temporary because Helen was already "sealed" by marriage to Joseph Smith for eternity. I am sorry that Horace Whitney was "sealed" to an already dead Mormon woman before his “temporary” marriage to Helen.
I am sorry that after her mother died, Joseph Smith approached teenager Lucy Walker with a command that she marry Smith with the threat of eternal damnation as the punishment if she refused. I am sorry that the year before Joseph Smith died, he said the following to Lucy: “I will give you until tomorrow to decide (whether to marry me). If you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.”
I am sorry that the Book of Mormon, which Joseph Smith claims to have transcribed from the golden plates given to him by the Angel Moroni, says the following: “Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, Saith the Lord.” (Jacob 2:24).
I am sorry that Joseph Smith said the following shortly before his death: "(W)hen I get my kingdom, I shall present it to my father, so that he may obtain kingdom among kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.”
I am sorry that Smith’s polytheism is not consistent with John 14:6. I am also sorry that since these are the words of Christ, polytheism cannot be Christian. Moreover, I am sorry, my Mormon friends, but the the words of Christ trump the words of Joseph Smith who will never be God.
I am sorry that Mormonism teaches that Christ was not there in the beginning, that god was just a man who became God by following a moral code he did not create, and that we may all become gods by following the same moral code that predates the existence of Jesus. I am sorry that the theological mess caused by Joseph Smith is irreconcilable with the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Finally, I am sorry that my Mormon readers have unfairly accused me of criticizing Mormonism without doing my homework. But I am glad I did. Now I understand the significance of Galatians 1:6-9.
True; it got Him killed.
But, surprisingly, He didn't STAY killed!
How could GOD allow THAT to happen?
And where is the evidence for that?
And what kind of sacrifice did he make? He was dead for three days,came back from the dead and proceeded to go to heaven with the Father. Some sacrifice!
Explain the sheer absurdity of the trinity. How about the conflicting crucifixon and resurrection accounts? Who are we supposed to believe?
PBTF,
Frankly, I’ve never seen you post any Facts, Evidence or Logic
to support your opinions. I would welcome it, but I don’t expect it.
Nor do I expect that this “irrefutable proof” exists.
I expect a copy and paste. I hope you surprise me with a reasoned post that lays out your facts, evidence and logical argument. It is so rare on FR anyway that it will be a wonderful breath of fresh air.
When you come back, I will share with you the testimony of a Noahide who came to faith in Christ.
best,
ampu
Don’t bother telling me about your Noahide friend who abandoned Torah to become an idolator.
“Don’t bother telling me about your Noahide friend who abandoned Torah to become an idolator.”
Actually, his story is recorded in the Holy Scriptures. Since he could never fulfill the law - particularly as a gentile - and be righteous, when he met Christ, his eyes were opened to salvation, righteousness and his life was changed.
Instead of abandoning Torah, he saw it fulfilled.
You can bet I’m going to share that!!!
PBF; you are trying to slither away from YOUR lack of providing evidence of YOUR claims.
I'll wait for you doing so before answering YOUR questions of me.
Jesus fulfilled the Law? Not quite.
“Jesus fulfilled the Law? Not quite.”
Now you’ve done it! You made another truth claim that Jesus didn’t fulfill the law.
Prove it Boothman. Also, Still waiting for your other proof.
PBTF,
You promised me irrefutable evidence. Scriptures galore. I’m still waiting.
Maybe you got busy and forgot.
Lay it out and let’s have a look.
AMPU.
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