let's see your evidence to support your opinions...
WHERE'S THE BEEF??
Posted on 06/05/2013 2:21:55 AM PDT by servo1969
Dear Stacey:
You have written demanding an apology for my recent characterization of the Mormon religion as "non-Christian." I am happy to write a public letter of apology to you and to the countless Mormon readers who responded negatively to my characterization.
I am sorry that so many of my Mormon readers have brazenly accused me of ignorance of their religion and suggested that I read the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that they were unaware that I read the Book of Mormon back in 2006.
I am sorry that the science of genetics has refuted claims made in the Book of Mormon concerning the relationship between Native Americans and Semitic people. These refutations undermine the entire historical premise of the Book of Mormon.
I am also sorry that while archeological discovery supports the claims of the Bible it clearly does not support the claims of the Book of Mormon. Battles that were supposed to have occurred in specific locations in North America simply never took place. The archeological evidence just isn't there.
I am sorry about the plagiarism of the Holy Bible that runs through the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that Mormons cannot see that Joseph Smith's refusal to reveal the golden tablets is strong evidence of their nonexistence. The heavy plagiarism in the Book of Mormon puts the lie to the rest of the story of Smith, the former seeker of the lost treasures of Captain Kidd.
I am sorry that my Mormon readers have put all their eggs in one basket by constantly writing to me quoting Matthew 7:16. So I am sorry that I must now apply that verse to the very first Mormon.
I am sorry that among the 33 well-documented plural wives of Joseph Smith, there were close to a dozen unions in which the wife was already married to another man.
I am sorry that in his lifetime, Joseph Smith married four different pairs of sisters. I am sorry that Joseph Smith married a young woman and also married her mother.
I am sorry that some of Joseph Smith's marriages were the result of religious coercion secured only after he told the prospective bride that marrying him would ensure the bride’s place in heaven. I am sorry that Smith also coerced teenagers into marrying him by promising their families a place in heaven.
I am sorry that Joseph Smith kept fourteen-year-old Helen Mar Kimball from marrying her sweetheart Horace Whitney because he wanted to marry the teenager instead. I am sorry that Joseph Smith also asked Helen’s father Heber C. Kimball to give him his wife.
I am sorry that before he eventually married Helen, Joseph Smith gave her a 24-hour deadline to give in to his offer of a place in heaven. I am sorry that two years after the death of Joseph Smith, Helen married her old sweetheart Horace Whitney. I am sorry that the marriage between Helen and Horace was only temporary because Helen was already "sealed" by marriage to Joseph Smith for eternity. I am sorry that Horace Whitney was "sealed" to an already dead Mormon woman before his “temporary” marriage to Helen.
I am sorry that after her mother died, Joseph Smith approached teenager Lucy Walker with a command that she marry Smith with the threat of eternal damnation as the punishment if she refused. I am sorry that the year before Joseph Smith died, he said the following to Lucy: “I will give you until tomorrow to decide (whether to marry me). If you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.”
I am sorry that the Book of Mormon, which Joseph Smith claims to have transcribed from the golden plates given to him by the Angel Moroni, says the following: “Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, Saith the Lord.” (Jacob 2:24).
I am sorry that Joseph Smith said the following shortly before his death: "(W)hen I get my kingdom, I shall present it to my father, so that he may obtain kingdom among kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.”
I am sorry that Smith’s polytheism is not consistent with John 14:6. I am also sorry that since these are the words of Christ, polytheism cannot be Christian. Moreover, I am sorry, my Mormon friends, but the the words of Christ trump the words of Joseph Smith who will never be God.
I am sorry that Mormonism teaches that Christ was not there in the beginning, that god was just a man who became God by following a moral code he did not create, and that we may all become gods by following the same moral code that predates the existence of Jesus. I am sorry that the theological mess caused by Joseph Smith is irreconcilable with the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Finally, I am sorry that my Mormon readers have unfairly accused me of criticizing Mormonism without doing my homework. But I am glad I did. Now I understand the significance of Galatians 1:6-9.
I show you how to do something and it's SARCASM?
All the bluster is not helping your case.
Merely SHOW the evidence and we will be PROVEN wrong.
That should shut us up; right?
All unprovable.
After dealing in the wedding business for many years, I found that the pastors, reverends, or whatever you want to call the leaders, are sharks when the finances are addressed. They’re in it for the money and the attention. The more they convince their followers that they are the true religion, the more power and money they get.
So, they instruct their followers to criticize any other religion; the followers protect their philosophy by attacking other philosophies. This is Christianity? Yes, along with wonderful preachers like Robert Tilton, Al Sharpton, the Bakers and so on.
Read through all the anti-”this or that religion” rants; they are filled with conceit and judgements. That, apparently, is what today’s Christianity is about. I mean, what could be cooler than believing you speak for God?
Perhaps you “authorities” should understand the concept of metaphysics. You can prove you have differences, but you cannot prove you’re correct or the others wrong.
I’ll paraphrase an old philosopher here: “ I abhor those who claim to have a special connection with the almighty and will grant absolution for a consideration. “ These religious rants are about ego and money. Money for the leaders, ego for their followers.
So a young woman can’t be a virgin?
And where exactly is this clarity stated...
What are you talking about? Even if I grant, for the sake of argument, that Christianity and/or Mormonism are untrue, that's a different issue from knowing what they, in fact, teach. What their respective theologies are, is easily provable. Simply read their books.
You can prove you have differences, but you cannot prove you’re correct or the others wrong.
Maybe instead of focusing on metaphysics, you should learn some logic. "Christianity is true and Mormonism is false" is not the same claim as "Mormonism is not Christianity; they are different."
I read both your initial and the response. Can’t figure how the response fits what you said originally, but the poster you are responding to like to disrupt these threads so take little heed...
let's see your evidence to support your opinions...
WHERE'S THE BEEF??
So noted, and thanks. ;)
And, I might add, with little effect.
An apt screen name though...
I'll QUOTE an old Jewish writer here:
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked:
for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."Galatians 6:7 KJV
"John 15:15
No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.
--MormonDude(When would be a good time for a couple of our clean cut young folks to stop by your home and more fully explain the Restored Gospel® to you and your loving family?)
I will show you irrefutable proof. When G-d said the Torah is for ALL TIME He meant it.
I shall. I don’t have the verses right in front of me but they DO exist.
Cherry-picking and altering verses that came 2,000 years before yours is foolish and obnoxious.
See! Jesus is referring to G-d as his father. So how on earth can he BE G-d AND the son of G-d????
It takes a lot of nerve to claim that the Almighty allowed him to make those claims.
SHOW the alterations And I'll be PROVEN such.
Until then...
Ah...
The Question of the Ages!
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