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Is George R.R. Martin the “American Tolkien”?
American Prowler ^ | 5.31.13 | Anne Hobson

Posted on 05/31/2013 12:43:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: katana
I came to believe the author has a nasty cruel streak and must enjoy inflicting pain on his readers.

He seems to bring some of them back.

121 posted on 05/31/2013 8:00:54 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: katana
I don't see how anyone can enjoy the series without having read the books. The wall is a stroke of genius like that which the Romans built to keep the Picts from coming south.

I see Westeros as England just before the final ice advance. Watch out for the Red Comet too (it's coming back).

122 posted on 05/31/2013 8:08:50 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

All of this.

Thank you.


123 posted on 05/31/2013 9:23:55 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: nickcarraway

At the rate he is going, Martin, the “Antitolken” will be dead before he completes the story.


124 posted on 05/31/2013 10:06:31 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: vladimir998

I only messed up a title, you only read 1/14th of a series and decided you knew everything about it. You are simply incorrect.


125 posted on 06/01/2013 8:37:11 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

No, I’m not incorrect. I also did not decide I knew everything about it. I simply knew enough to make a correct conclusion. That’s all it takes.


126 posted on 06/01/2013 9:01:02 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: The KG9 Kid
You are making a judgment about an author based on the HBO adaption of his book series when HBO infamously turns everything they touch in to some perverted, usually homosexual, psychotically bizarre twisted mess. "Tara" in "True blood" is a perfect example. Tara in the book series is Sookie's best friend. HBO managed, somehow, to get that right. In the books she is white, a store owner, briefly addicted to vampire venom, falls in love with a (human) personal trainer, gets married and has twins. In the HBO series she is black, an alcoholic bartender, has a crazed "religious" mother (of course), becomes a lesbian because apparently making her a black alcoholic wasn't changing the character enough, and then along the same path they decide she should become an MMO fighter and eventually a vampire.

127 posted on 06/01/2013 9:08:23 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
Some dude here said it was clear I wasn't even watching the show.

Everyone else seemed to understand what I was talking about. Then you come in here and ruin it for him too by confessing that you know just what I'm talking about.

So, now THAT'S settled ... If you're petitioning me to understand that the HBO-adapted series brought all the filth into the story where it didn't exist in the Martin's book, are you really armed with the truth here?

128 posted on 06/01/2013 11:53:23 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: vladimir998

You can’t tell the depth of story, depth of plot, and character development reading 1/14th of a series. That doesn’t even make sense. It’s like walking in the surf and deciding that the ocean is shallow compared to a pool you once dove into.


129 posted on 06/01/2013 12:11:37 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: The KG9 Kid
I believe the person said that it was clear that you never read the books. Virtually every explicit scene in the show does not exist in the books, that's a fact.

That being said this is a book for grown ups. Evil is quite clearly portrayed but it is not glorified while Honor, courage, and intelligence is.

130 posted on 06/01/2013 12:25:09 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

That person went a little further than just saying I’ve never read the books, and I confess outright that I haven’t read every novel that my wife handed over to me. She’s dog-eared the books on just about everything GRRM has written, and she’s a huge fan. I’m interested enough to watch GoT episodes over and over. I was told I’d never read nor watched anything and its just not so.

Now honestly, I have read in his books quite a lot of over the top pervyness. I’m hardly the only one saying this either, even amongst his fans. So, please.


131 posted on 06/01/2013 6:57:35 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: nickcarraway

Never heard of him and never read anything he wrote. I guess I’ll stick with real Science Fiction instead of the fairy dancing fantasy shtick. One thing is sure, an American Tolkien, he is not.


132 posted on 06/01/2013 11:37:45 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: The KG9 Kid

You can say “so, please” as if I’m making things up all you want. The fact still remains that virtually every explicit scene in the HBO series was either inserted whole cloth or made explicit from something that is hinted at. As a fantasy author GRRM is pretty tame. He might be a sadist to his readers, and his characters, but otherwise he isn’t that much of a perv.


133 posted on 06/02/2013 8:32:08 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: nickcarraway

&$@$, NO!!


134 posted on 06/09/2013 8:37:18 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: nickcarraway

Popularity-wise I can see it. JRRT didn’t have the benefit of all the media GRRM has access to-the internet, HBO, conventions. But more people read books in general back then I would imagine, at least as a %. I wonder what the ratio is of JRRT/GRRM who have only seen the HBO series/movies vs those who have also/only read the books.

Quality-wise, the closest to an American Tolkien is probably Gene Wolfe. Also Catholic, also writes about spiritual matters/faith using fantasy/sci-fi. He’ll never be as popular as JRRT/GRRM. I recall a story where Wolfe wrote a letter to JRRT and got a letter back in response.

FReegards


135 posted on 06/09/2013 8:58:56 AM PDT by Ransomed
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