Cold fusion reactor independently verified, has 10,000 times the energy density of gas

Intrade Gateway via Extreme Tech ^ | May 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Sebastian Anthony

[Kevmo]

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Cold fusion reactor independently verified, has 10,000 times the energy density of gas By Sebastian Anthony on May 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm 338 Comments

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Against all probability, a device that purports to use cold fusion to generate vast amounts of power has been verified by a panel of independent scientists. The research paper, which hasn’t yet undergone peer review, seems to confirm both the existence of cold fusion, and its potency: The cold fusion device being tested has roughly 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline. Even allowing for a massively conservative margin of error, the scientists say that the cold fusion device they tested is 10 times more powerful than gasoline — which is currently the best fuel readily available to mankind.

The device being tested, which is called the Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat for short), was created by Andrea Rossi. Rossi has been claiming for the past two years that he had finally cracked cold fusion, but much to the chagrin of the scientific community he hasn’t allowed anyone to independently analyze the device — until now. While it sounds like the scientists had a fairly free rein while testing the E-Cat, we should stress that they still don’t know exactly what’s going on inside the sealed steel cylinder reactor. Still, the seven scientists, all from good European universities, obviously felt confident enough with their findings to publish the research paper.

As for what’s happening inside the cold fusion reactor, Andrea Rossi and his colleague Sergio Focardi have previously said their device works by infusing hydrogen into nickel, transmuting the nickel into copper and releasing a large amount of heat. While Rossi hasn’t provided much in the way of details — he’s a very secretive man, it seems — we can infer some knowledge from NASA’s own research into cold fusion. Basically, hydrogen ions (single protons) are sucked into a nickel lattice (pictured right); the nickel’s electrons are forced into the hydrogen to produce neutrons; the nickel nuclei absorb these neutrons; the neutrons are stripped of their electrons to become protons; and thus the nickel goes up in atomic number from 28 to 29, becoming copper.

This process, like the “conventional” fusion of hydrogen atoms into helium, produces a lot of heat. (See: 500MW from half a gram of hydrogen: The hunt for fusion power heats up.) The main difference, though, is that the cold fusion process (also known as LENR, or low energy nuclear reaction) produces very slow moving neutrons which don’t create ionizing radiation or radioactive waste. Real fusion, on the other hand, produces fast neutrons that decimate everything in their path. In short, LENR is fairly safe — safe enough that NASA dreams of one day putting a cold fusion reactor in every home, car, and plane. Nickel and hydrogen, incidentally, are much cheaper and cleaner fuels than gasoline.

As far as we can tell, the main barrier to cold fusion — as with normal fusion — is producing more energy than you put in. In NASA’s tests, it takes a lot more energy to fuse the nickel and hydrogen than is produced by the reaction. Rossi, it would seem, has discovered a secret sauce that significantly reduces the amount of energy required to start the reaction. As for what the secret sauce is, no one knows — in the research paper, the independent scientists simply refer to it as “unknown additives.” All told, the E-Cat seems to have a power density of 4.4×105 W/kg, and an energy density of 5.1×107 Wh/kg.

If Rossi and Focardi’s cold fusion technology turns out to be real — if the E-Cat really has 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline — then the world will change, very, very quickly. Stay tuned; we’ll let you know when — or if — the E-Cat passes peer review.

Now read: Nuclear power is our only hope, or, the greatest environmentalist hypocrisy of all time

Research paper: arXiv:1305.3913 - “Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device”

[Kevmo]

You honestly think saying “people like you” is a personal attack?

ETFOOM. Skeptopaths call me liar, scam artist, stupid, all kinds of garbage. Those are personal attacks. If you’re gonna call “people like you” is a personal attack, you might as well start handing out speeding tickets at the Indie 500.

[Kevmo]

1. The poster asked you a pertinent question. You dodged it, and went back to ‘black box’ measurements. Why didn’t you answer his question? Is it because ‘people like you’ can’t answer a technical question like that?

***Here’s the question:
Or will they ask about how the nickle lattice was maintained at far above/below it’s transition phase temperature?

and here’s a more detailed answer: If it is maintained far below its transition temperature, then there is no issue here, so why did you write that? Being maintained far above is an interesting thing to look into, so the answer to your question is, yes they will ask. Will Rossi give them an answer? Probably not. This is, after all, a black box test so you can’t even really assume there is a nickel lattice inside the box. That’s why I zipped to the shorthand of black box testing because there is such a high duhh factor in the answer.

[Kevmo]

As long as we don’t account for any of the energy it took to produce the component parts, especially the pixie dust.
***You do not have to account for that. People compare cars to cars. Batteries to batteries. They don’t compare how much infrastructure it took to generate one battery over another, it is overreaching in scope. It is a black box test. If it took Rossi $50M to get that much energy into the box, he’s still the only man on the planet who can do that.

[Kevmo]

There would be tremendous honor in finding out how this ‘supposed’ scam works, when the scammer himself isn’t even in the room when the tests are performed.

[Kevmo]

The Casimir effect is real, dude. Try to learn some science before you go off half baked. The mods claim that the critics of LENR aren’t anti-science, but it sure appears to be that way when you act like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

[Kevmo]

actual energy available from a quantity of gasoline, for purposes of this article (did you read the title?)

[Kevmo]

The lack of curiosity evidenced in the Rossi camp is amazing to say the least.
***There’s plenty of curiosity. It’s just that... we know the meaning of a black box test and you don’t.

[Kevmo]

Until he GIVES PEOPLE A DEVICE, and lets them TAKE IT OFFSITE, TEST IT, and DISASSEMBLE IT, I don’t believe it.
***That’s very close to what the Wright brothers’ critics said before they flew demos. The Wrights had no reason to demo until there was money on the table. Rossi has no reason to give someone his trade secret just so it can be stolen. If he isn’t a con artist, then he’s holding onto something worth more than what the Wright brothers developed.

[UCANSEE2]

?(did you read the title?)

Yes, but I wasn't referring to the title, I was referring to your post.

Unless you somehow think a gasoline motor has more energy in than out?

Those are your words, are they not.

[Kevmo]

You’re going through all of this over a typo?

Treat the gas motor as a black box. How do you test it? You make it do some work, like running a car. It runs for 50 miles on one gallon of gasoline. You test another black box, another car. With the same gallon of gasoline, it goes 200 miles. And a third car goes 500 miles. All 3 cars on the same circular race track. Simple question: Which black box has the highest energy density, and how much more than the lowest?

[UCANSEE2]

Where did you see anyone touting 'free energy' on this thread?

POST 90, for one, although the words were 'nearly free'.

However, you are correct, FREE energy isn't what was being discussed. It was CHEAP and ABUNDANT energy, and I don't think this will be either because I don't think those who make money off energy resources want it that way.

Crude oil is abundant and should be cheap, but....

[UCANSEE2]

Thank you for defining the transition phase in metals, but what I asked for was KEVMO to answer your original question.

Since he didn’t answer it the first time, I have assumed he doesn’t know the answer (nothing wrong there) but that he won’t even acknowledge the question because he’s wearing blinders.

Maybe he’s answered by now, so I’m going to continue to catch up on the thread.

[UCANSEE2]

Have you an opinion, other than a ridiculing smarmy one?

Thank you for your response. I find them very informative.

Smarmy? I think Pixie Dust is about the best name available for the contents. Since they won't divulge the 'powder' (dust) in use, that seems a logical name. What would you call an unknown powder that seems to work like magic ?

As far as the excess heat and transmutations, they have to come from somewhere, and the zero point field (or vacuum of space) could be where it comes from.

I don't think anyone knows yet where the excess is coming from, and don't know if it is 'scaleable' or can be made commercially available and 'cheap'. Do you?

[UCANSEE2]

***Glad to.

You say that, but you haven't answered any of my questions. So I'll ask again.

Is LENR a scaleable technology ?

[UCANSEE2]

Here’s another question you avoided.

Yet you claim to trust the invention of a man who has been proven to have made falsified claims in the past. Is this not true ?

[count-your-change]

Black box testing? Is that what those seven scientists were doing?

[UCANSEE2]

***Maybe, maybe not. Some countries that are ‘out of power’ like in Africa would love to get cheap abundant energy. If we end up with a situation where LENR is being implemented all across Africa and not here in America, there will be some major smuggling going on. Eventually, those ‘in power’ would get circumvented.

Good point. The only issue is, how long is 'eventually' ?

[UCANSEE2]

***No, you don’t.

Maybe you don't, or these 7 scientists don't, but in reality one does.

You simply test the system as it is presented to you. That’s what black box testing is. Under those conditions, this LENR device has 10,000 times more energy density than gasoline. Very very simple measurements.

I agree. Then it should be a simple matter to stuff one of these ECATS into this so I can be fulfilled on the promise made in POPULAR SCIENCE when I was a child.

BTW, we were also told that our Kitchen sinks would have carbonated drink dispensers too.

[UCANSEE2]

***No, I do not trust Rossi, he’s too untrustworthy.

And that, my FRiend, is why many people are skeptical, and that was my point.

As in the phrase "A stopped clock is right twice a day", it is possible that though continued work, Rossi has stumbled onto a concoction that works consistently. After all, Thomas Edison FAILED to invent a 'consistently working' light bulb for years.

As far as trusting these 7 scientists, I don't know them personally, but it would seem that Rossi has worked on other projects with at least one of them, and those projects turned out to be scams. Is this not true?

Since GLOBAL WARMING EXPERT SCIENTISTS have made claims that are proving to be false, why would the average individual trust a few more scientists from Sweden? The scientists you listed , on the average, are no more qualified in their fields than the GW scientists.

Basically, I am saying it's hard to trust anyone these days when everyone seems to be compromising their integrity by SELLING OUT to the highest bidder. That is the reality that surrounds us that we must deal with.

You may trust them, but, as you can see, others are not so quick to just blindly accept their 'results'.

[UCANSEE2]

I have to leave right now. I will respond to the posts later tonight.

Thank you, KEVMO, for this thread and the others you post, and your responses.

You may think I’m against you, but I’m not.