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The LENR and (free energy)Perpetual Motion Machine
Danald Simanek's Pages ^ | Jan, 2006 | Donald Simanek

Posted on 05/23/2013 2:22:26 AM PDT by count-your-change

"Some inventors declare quite openly that the conservation of energy doesn't apply to their device. I ask them about some similar unworkable device; whether they can find any flaw in it. Without hesitation they dismiss that other device because it violates conservation of energy. Why then, does that same argument apply to their invention? Or, why does conservation of energy apply to the other device, but not to their own? They cannot answer that, but it doesn't shake their confidence. One inventor answered by saying it was due to "environmental shift". When asked to define that precisely, he spouted some gobbledygook about "things behave differently in different enviroments". These inventors are good at making up principles of nature as required to support their fantasies.

Such "true believers" are certain that they have a hotline to truth—absolute truth. They are upset and even angered that anyone can fail to see these truths. In fact, they usually consider skeptics to be deliberately denying these truths, for some personal or emotional reasons. They see skeptics as "the enemy", an enemy to be discredited in any way possible. They invent all sorts of fantastic reasons why the "establishment" would attempt to "hide or deny the truth". Perhaps it's a "vast conspiracy" by scientists to preserve their jobs and their status as guardians of their faith in false principles.

Yet in his own analysis, the inventor often builds upon certain fundamental principles of physics that he accepts as valid. He doesn't realize that his faulty conclusion, if true, would invalidate the very principles he used in his own logical analysis."

(Excerpt) Read more at . www.lhup.edu ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science
KEYWORDS: coldfusion; freeenergy; lenr; seagullthread
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To: muawiyah

Fusion does not violate any laws of physics. In fact, we have a huge fusion generator up in the sky. We may or may not be able to overcome the issues of containment of these ultra-hot reactions, but we have no doubt that they occur.


21 posted on 05/28/2013 6:06:41 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
The Tokamak does not work. Surprised you hadn't noticed that ~ and that is the very best idea they ever had about how to generate fusion based energy that could yield useful power.

Again, the machinery does not work ~ we've wasted hundreds of billions of dollars ~ it's always 30 years away ~ and they want more money.

That is a fraud.

22 posted on 05/28/2013 6:10:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: count-your-change
Such "true believers" are certain that they have a hotline to truth—absolute truth. They are upset and even angered that anyone can fail to see these truths. In fact, they usually consider skeptics to be deliberately denying these truths, for some personal or emotional reasons. They see skeptics as "the enemy", an enemy to be discredited in any way possible. They invent all sorts of fantastic reasons why the "establishment" would attempt to "hide or deny the truth". Perhaps it's a "vast conspiracy" by scientists to preserve their jobs and their status as guardians of their faith in false principles.

He isn't an inventor, but that paragraph screams Kevmo. I'd give him a ping, but he doesn't like that.

23 posted on 05/28/2013 6:43:47 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Probably the “Hot Fusion” cartel undermining lenr. Or Big Oil or Big Utilities, another trade secret.
24 posted on 05/28/2013 6:53:47 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: muawiyah

As I said, there is no doubt that fusion occurs and that there are countless examples of it going on right now. Our sun, plus all of those stars up in the sky, are all fusion reactors.

You do understand, don’t you, that the sun and stars are all fusion reactors? From the way you keep pointing out that we have not yet been able to replicate this natural process, I am having my doubts. We can’t make volcanoes, either, but does that mean they don’t exist?

To believe that the process of fusion is, in fact, occurring does not require any leap of faith. OTOH, to believe that Rossi is anything other than a scammer requires one to, I dunno, believe that the fundamental laws of physics are merely suggestions.


25 posted on 05/28/2013 7:10:56 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: count-your-change

Kevmo has never stated the e-cat is a perpetual motion machine. It consumes fuel. It is just a fuel with a very high energy density. (something like 10,000X more than gas) ;)

But using this article is not relevant to the topic. The author never mentions LENR. ‘Your’ title is misleading.

Though I don’t share Kevmo’s zeal for battling the resident luddites, I have read the report and accept the conclusions.

Kevmo will have the last laugh.


26 posted on 05/28/2013 7:37:49 PM PDT by toast
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To: toast; Kevmo
He was not the author or subject of the article.
27 posted on 05/28/2013 9:17:35 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

It’s time to take the mod’s advice and ignore you.

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


28 posted on 05/28/2013 9:24:27 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: count-your-change

Paging Joseph Newman.....


29 posted on 05/28/2013 9:30:53 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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