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Keep that Bible out of my room
The Times of Israel ^ | 5/21/2013 | KATE BRUMBACK and RUSS BYNUM

Posted on 05/21/2013 5:08:31 PM PDT by Former Fetus

An atheist, Buckner believes that no religious literature should be provided in government-owned lodging, and he presented that concern to management at the Amicalola Falls State Park.

Officials told Buckner they would remove the Bibles from all state park resorts while the state attorney general looked into the matter. Not long afterward, however, the AG issued a ruling saying the state was on firm legal ground because it hadn’t paid for the books. On Wednesday, Gov. Nathan Deal ordered the Bibles returned.

Deal argued that if the state didn’t pay for them, it can’t be seen as endorsing them. He also noted that any religious group can donate literature. But his action sparked a string of comments on social media and captured the attention of local news television stations. It also prompted some to question why this hasn’t been more of an issue in the US before.

Buckner is pondering his next move. One idea he is considering is to test the state’s offer to accept literature from other religions in state-owned lodging. He also said he would be willing to participate if an organization with similar beliefs decides to launch a lawsuit over the issue.

‘When you go into a state park cabin and the only piece of religious literature there is a Protestant Bible, that suggests the government’s endorsed that particular perspective’

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: antichristian; antitheism; atheism; atheistsupremacist; bible; christianity; religion; trollalert
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101 posted on 05/22/2013 8:36:16 AM PDT by xone
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To: whattajoke
But the One True Scotsman fallacy applies here, as every time someone "misinterprets" the bible, they are called "not really Christian."

First, I never said anything about people misinterpreting the Bible. You missed my point, which was that some Christians do things that are in direct contradiction to the Bible. When they do, it is not an indictment of the belief system, because the belief system told them to do the opposite and they ignored it. I don't know how to make it more clear than that.

In a way, you are engaging in the flip side of the One True Scotsman fallacy, in that you see someone, who is a self-professed Christian, do something bad and you not only assume all Christians are that way, but you assign blame for that behavior to the belief system itself, despite the fact that the belief system told that person to do the opposite.

Furthermore, many Christians seem to enjoy the thought of non-believers burning in hell for all eternity. That's just weird.

This is an example of the exact type of thinking I referenced above. Christians are not told anywhere in the Bible to enjoy someone going to hell. In fact, they are supposed to love their neighbor and try to SAVE THEM from hell. Enjoying someone else's misfortune is a human failing, not a failure of the Christian belief system. You do not seem to be able to separate the two, and that is a big part of your lack of understanding of Christianity.

I can tell you right now, from what I've seen you write, that you do not have any substantive understanding of Christianity. You have created some strawmen and are using them to justify your distaste for the religion. There may be legitimate reasons for someone to have doubts about Christianity, but nothing you've stated here qualifies.
102 posted on 05/22/2013 1:36:42 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: whattajoke
I'm sure I'm nothing but a harmless gnat to swat away.

WRONG!! You are a lost soul and, because we love you, we are talking the time to explain a few things to you.

103 posted on 05/22/2013 2:06:53 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: whattajoke
Gravity is a theory and a law.

WRONG AGAIN! If you were one of my college Biology students I would count this answer as wrong. Gravity is a fact, is a LAW (from the scientific point of view).

104 posted on 05/22/2013 2:08:40 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

“Gravity is a theory and a law.
WRONG AGAIN! If you were one of my college Biology students I would count this answer as wrong. Gravity is a fact, is a LAW (from the scientific point of view). “

Actually gravity can be referred to as a law and a theory. The law of gravity states what happens while the theory is why it happens. For gravity, we use Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity to explain why things fall.

You may know biology, but you flunked physics.


105 posted on 05/22/2013 3:02:47 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter

Just look at the definition of law and theory in any science textbook!


106 posted on 05/22/2013 6:19:29 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

I would say your textbooks are way out of date. I stand my my statement that the law of gravity is what happens and the theory of gravity is why.

Actually Newton’s law of gravity formula has been shown to not stand up under extreme conditions in space, so I would say that even it does not qualify as an infallible law. It works ok for classical physics, but not so well if we want to study the whole universe from the sub particle to the far reaches of space.

The study of sub particle physics and string theory are bringing us closer to understanding what gravity really is, but they are still theories.


107 posted on 05/22/2013 7:23:01 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter

Whatever! You can keep your definition of theory and I will keep mine (actually not mine but that in our very current text book). Is the Physics definition different from the one used in Biology? That’s irrelevant to the theme of this thread, the placing of Bibles in state-owned cabins, and the argument with whattajoke. Unless, of course, you are purposely trying to change the subject!


108 posted on 05/22/2013 7:45:43 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

I was not the one changing the subject. As I recall wattajoke mentioned in passing that gravity was a theory and you corrected him. I was simply coming to his defense. I can not speak to biology texts, but may ask my sister that I know is a PHD in microbiology ( now retired).

If you do in fact teach at a university I would suggest you ask someone in the physics department about the theory of gravity.

I really don’t care one whit where they put Bibles or Korans for that matter as I am free to ignore them. I do study the Koran some because I believe it is good to know your enemy. But I guess there I go changing the subject.

I am done here.

Have a nice evening.


109 posted on 05/22/2013 8:12:41 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Former Fetus
You can always tell evil by its tendency to move to shut down information and debate rather than to offer information and participate in debate.

It isn't enough that some leftists can kill their babies or pressure others to kill theirs too, the leftist must prevent anyone from offering information that could lead someone to keep their child or put it up for adoption.

It isn't enough for an Islamist to read his own Koran, he wants to make sure no one can read a Bible either, or a Hindu text.

It isn't enough that a certain atheist can read any atheistic text he wants, he wants to make sure no one else might read a Bible. In other words, his faith or lack thereof is not under seige at the hands of others at all- he is not playing a defensive game but an offensive one in that he makes a point of saying "Protestant Bible." Now if it was all just because he is an insecure atheist, then he wouldn't feel the need to be so specific about what kind of bible it is, or even that it is a Bible and not a Koran. By making a distinction he's giving a clue that he is motivated by something other than mere religion, for he is trying the Alinsky tactic of isolating a target- break it down to size. Class warfare of sorts, only with religious sects instead of economic class. Today his target is the Protestant Bible, tomorrow it will be any Bible, and the day after it will simply be any book of any sort he doesn't agree with- what difference does it make to a real atheist what kind of religious text it is?

110 posted on 05/22/2013 9:04:38 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Viennacon

50 years ago people needed God.... now they had an idolized government to worship.


111 posted on 05/22/2013 9:05:55 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: whattajoke

Wow. Four Freepers private messaged you. I’ve had about that many secretly tell me to join Stormfront. Whoop de do.


112 posted on 05/22/2013 9:28:47 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: piasa

Exactly. The more spoiled people become, the less they need God.


113 posted on 05/22/2013 9:32:52 PM PDT by Viennacon
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