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Based on my experience, I think this is what happened.

No grand conspiracy, just poor lousy government

The fiscal year starts in October and ends in September, this means this all started in September of last year and these shortages of ammo can go on for a year due to the tight capacity.

And yes, once upon a time I did this, it was my job and I hated it.

1 posted on 04/26/2013 10:39:35 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

You are assuming they have no plans to deny us ammunition by legislating the industry out of business after they stock up.


2 posted on 04/26/2013 10:42:00 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: dila813
No grand conspiracy, just poor lousy government

Correct. There is no giant conspiracy. Breitbart has a good article debunking the ammo myths:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Great-DHS-Ammunition-Stockpile-Myth

3 posted on 04/26/2013 10:42:30 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: dila813

They usually buy everyone a new computer...


4 posted on 04/26/2013 10:42:33 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: dila813
No grand conspiracy, just poor lousy government

With any other administration, I would agree with you.

5 posted on 04/26/2013 10:44:18 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: dila813

Very disappointed in US ammo makers selling so much to the DHS.

I will remember when things loosen up.


7 posted on 04/26/2013 10:44:25 AM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: dila813

This is a lot more logical than most of the theories floating around.
Except, #4, that is the traditional baseline approach but most agencies now are going beyond baseline to exceed the rate of growth in order to get future budgets increased.

In other words, in traditional baseline budgeting, if they are budgeted to increase by $100, if they spend $90, their next budget is considered a $10 cut so they try to spend $100. This has evolved to go beyond the projected growth rate so if they are budgeted to spend $100, they try to spend $200 so their next budget will be increased by that amount (and so on and so on and so on).


10 posted on 04/26/2013 10:47:51 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: dila813
You still have not explained what appropriations source has authorized this level of spending and how they get around the proscription on The Bona Fide Needs Rule
Multi-year contracting is not an answer for items that are purchased over the counter in a commercial marketplace.


15 posted on 04/26/2013 10:51:08 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: dila813

Sorry, but I don’t think that Obambi’s handlers have any intention of leaving our White House. They’ve probably sold every national secret to our enemies, undone any secrecy to anything that’s important to our security, and Lord knows what else they’ve done to our country.

And if an actual president comes in with his administration and finds out how much damage these morons have done, they’ll probably wind up in prison.

No, there’s a much larger plan . . . and I pray for us when it happens.


16 posted on 04/26/2013 10:51:28 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: dila813

I hate to burst your bubble but its not that benign. More likely its to keep ammo supplies scarce while gunning up for the inevitiable conflict with the American public.

7,000 full auto AR’s and 2717 armored trucks are not just to make sure all alloted funds get spent.

The is is not your daddy’s govt.


20 posted on 04/26/2013 10:57:44 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dila813

A question, dila...

If the government issues the purchase order for “up to” a gazillion rounds, they have spent their budget, as funds are allocated even if the actual purchase is not made.

The following years’ budgets gets these funds rolled over, for the next hypothetical PO awarded for ever-increasing purchases that are never consummated. Are they just parking money this way?

BTW, thank you for taking on the free energy spammers that pop up here occasionally.


21 posted on 04/26/2013 10:58:18 AM PDT by Stalwart
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To: dila813
Ok, Supply Chains: ... commodities like ammo are produced linearly throughout the year because the inventory is cheaper than having excess capacity to react to changes in demand
How about toilet paper? Now there is a good commodity!
22 posted on 04/26/2013 10:58:23 AM PDT by drinktheobamakoolaid (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln)
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“since it was such a huge order it took away all this critical buffer inventory leading to shortages when the public demand picked up at the same time eliminating all their inventory in their distribution channels.”

No, I’d say this part of your theory is incorrect, because the DHS order is not extraordinary. It’s at the same level as their order from previous years going back at least a decade. So, the sole reason for the shortage is the public panic buying, since the DHS purchases would have had no effect on any buffer inventory.


27 posted on 04/26/2013 11:08:41 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: dila813

That hardly explains so much $$$$ spent on ammo when they could just as easily bought office furniture with it. Ammo isn’t going to make their lives more cushy but a nicely decorated office with a big leather desk chair would. That also doesn’t explain why so many gov depts who have no need for such large amounts of ammo were ordering it too.


28 posted on 04/26/2013 11:09:00 AM PDT by bgill
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To: dila813
"As you approach the end of the year, if it appears you are going to still have money left. You have to spend it, "

DING! DING! DING! This is the SINGLE worst thing about the federal government.

In business, you are praised if you save money for the company. In government you are encoraged to spend it all, OR ELSE.

There is no incentive to save.

If we had a one-year program where anyone in the fed govt could get 10% of ANY money they saved, I bet the budget would be cut in half in one year.

but that would become their budget from then on.

41 posted on 04/26/2013 11:19:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: dila813

Here is why I think they are buying ammo: they are wary of riots and want to have the ability to kill protestors.


52 posted on 04/26/2013 11:50:53 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: dila813

If they buy up all the ammo, they don’t have to take your guns — they’re useless.


55 posted on 04/26/2013 12:11:46 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: dila813

There are several FReepers who will belong shortly to give you the ‘Harry Reid Lecture’ on ‘Imagined Tyranny’ shortly.


58 posted on 04/26/2013 12:33:17 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: dila813

I do not agree w/ your accessment.


59 posted on 04/26/2013 12:53:44 PM PDT by veracious
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To: dila813

Your naivete is astounding!


68 posted on 04/26/2013 6:38:32 PM PDT by miserare
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To: dila813

Ok, why does Her Butchness need 2700 APCs for DHS? Has any explanation ever been given?


70 posted on 04/27/2013 1:13:17 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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