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1 posted on 04/15/2013 7:04:37 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What say you?


2 posted on 04/15/2013 7:05:00 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I may not agree with this plan and all of the details, but Rubio is no RINO. Please, I am sick and tired of people who throw out the term RINO when they don’t agree with some one.

Susan Collins is a RINO, not Rubio.


3 posted on 04/15/2013 7:07:50 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Rubio wants AMNESTY for the 30,000,000 illegal aliens


4 posted on 04/15/2013 7:09:04 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs

PING


5 posted on 04/15/2013 7:10:05 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I say he’s selling the country down the river.


7 posted on 04/15/2013 7:12:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I don’t trust Rubio.


10 posted on 04/15/2013 7:16:00 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (The most insidious power the news media has, is the power to ignore.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’ll beleive the enforcement parts of the proposal will be enforced right after current immigration laws are enforced.


11 posted on 04/15/2013 7:17:29 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Why not call it what it is a so-called attempt to deal with ILLEGAL immigration.
And the show goes on.


13 posted on 04/15/2013 7:24:36 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
How about somebody shutting the damn gate!!

Where in Rubio's plan is the much-promised border fence?

Where are the tranquillizer and net-throwing drones?

15 posted on 04/15/2013 7:26:56 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

When the penalties specified by law are waived for a large group of people, that’s an amnesty. Rubio is playing the same word games - telling LIES - with the American people as W and a long list of others. To pretend that substituting small fines and granting a path to citizenship in lieu of deportation somehow makes it not an amnesty is deliberate deceit and outright lying,, not to mention insulting to the American people.

Rubio continues to play the same role for Amnesty as Bart Stupach played for Obamacare. He’s pretending to stand up for a critical issue (border security) while moving things toward the ultimate leftist goal of amnesty for illegal aliens.


19 posted on 04/15/2013 7:36:15 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No


21 posted on 04/15/2013 7:40:21 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
LOL. Of course it is amnesty. It is no different than the 1986 amnesty bill, which was called an amnesty.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

Words have meanings. The Democrats and the mainstream media have hijacked the language surrounding the immigration issue to the point that we had Michael Chertoff, the Secretary of Homeland Security and our nation’s top immigration official at the time, testifying before Congress using the term “undocumented workers” to describe illegal aliens. John McCain and Barack Obama studiously avoided the term “amnesty” to describe their comprehensive immigration reform plans and despite the evidence, baldly declared that it was not an amnesty. Instead, they used such euphemisms as “getting to the back of the line,” “an earned path to citizenship,” and “coming out of the shadows.” The Democrats and pro-amnesty crowd know full well that the American people are against amnesty, hence the avoidance of the “A” word. Conservatives need to develop their own immigration lexicon that cuts through this Orwellian use of language.

23 posted on 04/15/2013 7:45:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; AuntB

RUBIO is NOT a RINO, He is a GEORGE SOROS puppet!!

See, Who is Cesar Conda?
So a former George Soros rag editor is now Rubio’s Chief of Staff.

Behind the scenes of Amnesty..
See, Who is Cesar Conda?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3007546/posts


24 posted on 04/15/2013 7:46:25 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Rubio’s plan is a convoluted mess. The same old amnesty with a few more twists.


28 posted on 04/15/2013 7:53:13 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No. If they are given a legal status and allowed to stay, it is an amnesty.


30 posted on 04/15/2013 7:56:06 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
THE TRUTH ABOUT AMNESTY

Definition: Amnesty, from the same Greek root as "amnesia," forgives past crimes and removes them from the record for future purposes. In the context of immigration, amnesty is commonly defined as granting legal status to a group of individuals unlawfully present in a country. It overlooks the alien's illegal entry and ongoing illegal presence and creates a new legal status that allows the recipient to live and work in the country.

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986: The textbook example of amnesty. The 1986 law's path to citizenship was not automatic. The legislation stipulated several requirements to receive amnesty, including payment of application fees, acquisition of English-language skills, understanding of American civics, a medical exam, and registration for military service. Individuals convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors were ineligible. No one disputes that this act provided amnesty.

Rubio is proposing an amnesty no matter how much he lies about it. It is essentially the same as the 2007 McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill.

The Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 [aka McCain-Kennedy CIR bill]: This bill resembles the 1986 amnesty in several important ways. Like that law, it would grant amnesty to individuals unlawfully present in the United States. Its provisions prove that its effect would be "amnesty, " which its proponents deny. Specifically,

• Only illegal aliens are eligible. Creates a new "Z" visa exclusively for illegal aliens, granting legal status to those who have willfully violated U.S. laws and denying that benefit to law-abiding aliens who have played by the rules. (Section 601(c)(1))

• Legal status is immediate. Section 1(a) allows probationary Z visas to be issued immediately after enactment. These probationary visas are nearly as good as non-probationary Z visas, giving the alien lawful status, protection from deportation, authorization to work, and the ability to exit and reenter the country with advance permission. (Section 601(h)(1))

• Immigration laws are set aside. Before anyone even applies for a probationary Z visa, the legislation would set aside the immigration laws that currently criminalize the presence of illegal aliens. The bill waives compliance with several laws as a condition for eligibility for the amnesty, including those concerning illegal entry, failure to appear for a removal proceeding, fraud in obtaining documentation to enter the United States, falsely claiming citizenship, violating terms of a student visa, failure to obtain valid immigration documents, unlawful presence for more than one year, and reentry after having been ordered removed. (Section 601(d)(2)(A))

• Eligibility leads to permanent residence. Probationary Z visas could be valid for years, depending on when the government begins issuing non-probationary Z visas (Section 601(h)(4)). The Z visa can be renewed every four years indefinitely (Section 601(k)(2)).

• Amnesty is unlimited. The bill grants legal status to virtually all of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens who are in the country today, and there is no cap on the total number of illegal aliens who could receive Z visa status.

34 posted on 04/15/2013 8:04:32 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Rubio may honestly believe that his plan isn't amnesty since it includes provisions for the federal government to levy fines and other penalties for illegal aliens to be held accountable to before gaining citizenship. He may also honestly believe that our borders will somehow be secured to the point of dramatically reducing illegals from streaming in as they have been for decades, BEFORE this plan is fully implemeted. Some people dream of unicorns and rainbows too.

However, Rubio is a politician, so honesty becomes an irrelevant factor in the equation. Even if his intentions are fairy tale pure, I simply:

Have never trusted democrats - Ever.

No longer trust the GOP.

Have no realistic expectation that a protected class of law breaking alien takers of the government dole will magically become rock ribbed conservatives once granted citizenship and will suddenly support and defend the Constitution that has been usurped for their benefit.

Have no confidence in the federal government to enforce a " new and improved" set of immigration laws since they refuse to enforce the existing ones.

So, Rubio and his GOP gang members can blow it out of their fourth point of contact - respectfully, of course....nah, skip that last part. None of these asshats deserve my respect as a conservative.

35 posted on 04/15/2013 8:31:37 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

With the corruptocrats we currently have in the District of Corruption I really fail to see how “What we the people think” has any relevancy in either the GRAND PLAN FOR IMMIGRATION OF GUN CONTROL. We the People are no longer represented. I for one KNOW that Arizona did not send Lettuce McCain to DC to strip away my 2A rights like he did with 1A. In any event we failed to primary him and that was one our worst mistakes - CA liberalism taking over AZ as we speak. Sheriff Joe just won election a few months back and the leftarrds are out collecting petitions to have him recalled. I can no longer live here and am considering TX.


38 posted on 04/15/2013 8:44:43 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Do you agree with Rubio that the "immigration" plan isn't amnesty?

Hell no!

Not until I see ironclad failsafe cancellation provision if the Flying Monkeys fail to keep their part of the agreement.
And also never before clear evidence is provided that the border is permanently secure.

42 posted on 04/15/2013 6:59:26 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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