You have to use some common sense and caution with these big breeds. Unlike the woman year in S.F. who brought in a neighbor's when she had several of her own. She did not survive that mistake.
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Posted on 04/14/2013 2:35:22 PM PDT by redreno
RENO, Nev. -- Shots rang out in a Stead neighborhood early Sunday afternoon after two pit bulls attacked a jogger and his dog.
It happened on Rising Sun Drive. Police say the man lives in the area and was jogging in a residential area when the pit bulls attacked.
"Two loose, unrestrained pit bulls attacked his dog and when he tried to separate the pit bulls and his dog, the pit bulls attacked him," said Sgt. Joe Lever of the Reno Police Department. "He was jogging with a concealed firearm which he has a permit for. He discharged the firearm twice, striking one dog who died instantly. We followed a blood trail and found the other in a backyard with a through-and-through wound."
Police say the dog was standing when they found it and was rushed to a nearby animal hospital.
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I agree with you, I was just using this argument.
I use it with people all the time that say it’s the owner’s fault. It isn’t, the best trained pit bulls will go into aggro mode and tear %&$# up.
I don’t disagree that pit bulls can be sweet/adorable/good dogs. It’s just the random chaotic element that makes them dangerous + their strength and super aggressiveness when they feel threatened, or want to kill.
Stock have been bred for hundreds of years to herd. Now it is bred into them and called, "instinct." They sort border collie pups when they are six weeks old on flocks of ducks to see if they will work or not. These pups have had very little human contact so human contact and treatment has nothing to do with the herding instinct. Either they work or they don't, but almost all do work the ducks. It, that instinct, is always there.
Pitt Bulls have been bred for hundreds of years to bite and fight. It can be enhanced by an owner or controlled by an owner but it is always there. In other words just because you are a good owner does not make the dog safe around other people or other animals. That instinct is always there and there still can be a trigger that unleashes it.
The people who need to know and understand this the most are the owners of Pitt Bulls but they seem to be the first to deny that their dogs could or would ever harm anyone, until they do. Then all we hear is how sweet and nice the dog has always been. Until it wasn't and another person is ripped up or another child killed. I'm a professional trainer and handler. Not all pitt bulls are bad but every one of them has within it the instinct to fight and bite.
Every time I see a Pitt Bull leading/pulling/dragging the owner/handler down the street I want to pull my truck over and ask the owner if the dog is so dumb that it can not be trained to heel and act properly on a leash. Or maybe it the owners who are so dumb that they do not feel like the dog needs to be trained or controlled. I have trained a few pits and after some work they all learned leash manners. The vote is still out on the owners.
They require an expert to handle properly.
Probably 50% of the dogs at the shelter are pit or pit mix.
Most owners don’t seem to leash train their dogs. Kinda sad when you realize the dog is the boss.
Sigh, and so another Pitty thread begins again.
We have these threads over and over, in which the results never change. Does that make the people who (repeatedly) disagree with me insane? Or am I insane for trying (repeatedly) to change minds which cannot be changed?
Sigh. The agony of this conundrum can only be eased with the consumption of another beer...the sanest action of all.
I’ve never had a dog, let alone a big dog, but Dobermans are always one breed that appealed to me. Are they as intelligent as they look? Sorry, but most pit bulls look about as smart as a sack of walnuts.
“BTW most pit bulls raised by “human beings” are sweet and adorible.”
It’s the ones raised by cats that give the others a bad name.
Damn cats.
Good shooting, so the pit’s owner should only get five years,.... for each pit.
“Congested Area” is nebulous on purpose. probably means within city limits.Stead is a former Air Force base outside of Reno. I don't think Stead is a city or in the Reno city limits.
It's been many yrs since I've been there but it used to be (large) mobile home lots and military style housing.
Stead is where the Reno Air Races are/were held. It was also the home of Lear Jet.
Dogs are people, too!
*rolls eyes*
It's insulting to the dignity of a dog bred to be a lethal force, to be assigned the job of "little buddy" in the family. No wonder they go nuts.
Leave that kind of work to a dog better bred to it. Like a shreiking little yappy chihuahua you can pick up and cuddle. They are awfully cute, once you get to know them.
Pit bulls shouldn't be banned, but they should be allowed to be dispatched at the pound more easily. How many dozens are cranked out daily in the neighborhoods where you see dumb-chit boys with their pants hallfway down their ass, being walked by a dog who could rip them to shreds?
Every time I see a Pitt Bull leading/pulling/dragging the owner/handler down the street ...
... Yeah, the Alpha dog in the relationship is the one with four legs.
LOLOL!
“Stead is a former Air Force base outside of Reno. I don’t think Stead is a city or in the Reno city limits.”
During the housing boom, Stead got pretty large, miles and miles of new houses and condos (many of which remain empty when construction suddenly ceased when the housing market collapsed). It is fairly large compared to the 80’s.
Congested area basically means residential area. Pretty much anywhere on the outskirts of town is desert and shooting is very popular in random spots. In a congested area that means there is enough population density where shooting for the fun of it might damage property, or people, or even just annoy neighbors from the noise
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You have to use some common sense and caution with these big breeds. Unlike the woman year in S.F. who brought in a neighbor's when she had several of her own. She did not survive that mistake.
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It can happen with a pitt, and it does sometimes happen with a pitt. I've trained many attack dogs an defense dogs. They do what they are taught to do. They are predictable and all new owners are well schooled in how to handle them and what is necessary to keep them safely. And your local wannbe gang punk does what with his dog???? Not a darn thing except let his ego grow.
For the obvious reason...
I wonder if we’ll ever see a news story that Cesar Millan, the dog whisperer, was killed by his dogs.
I wonder if we’ll ever see a news story that Cesar Millan, the dog whisperer, was killed by his dogs.This is off topic but relevant to the discussions on this website.
Cesar Millan is an illegal alien. He showed the spot where he crossed into the states. He may have legal status now (I don't know) but he came here illegally...I'll never watch that fraud again.
“A ridgeback is probably stronger but is a much safer dog...”
We had a Rhodie when I was a kid. She was the sweetest darned dog I ever met. (And I don’t particularly like dogs as a rule.)
They’re noble dogs [Dobermans], learn very quickly, can communicate without barking (low harumphs, flopping the ears, and whisper barking).
Despite their size and aggressive appearance, they are not “outdoor” dogs and at least mine didn’t tolerate cold or rain very well. They thrive on owner and family affection.
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