Posted on 02/14/2013 7:26:18 PM PST by DogByte6RER
The whole sainthood thing is stupid.
People are not saints. None of us.
There have been prophets with revelations from God, but those are also frail, flawed human beings.
No. The Secretary of State of the Vatican City is Tarcisio Bertone. (Pietrus may be a middle name of his.) There are a few Cardinals named Peter, including a couple papabile (Peter Turkson and Peter Erdo), but none of them come from Rome. Anyway, Pope’s names are usually chosen.
The term “saint” appears many times in the bible. In most cases, it refers to those still on the Earth, although, such as in the Apocalypse of St. John (”Revelation”), there are exceptions. “Saint” means one who is sanctified, referring in the New Testament to Christians. As I explained, Catholics distinguish certain saints as having had demonstrated saintliness so that their sainthood was a certainty. A Saint doesn’t even necessarily have the gift of prophecy, and whatever prophecies they utter still need to be tested against scripture.
The whole sainthood thing is stupid.Leon Bloy would not agree with you!
The only tragedy in life is not to become a saint. --Leon BloyHe also said:
Any Christian who is not a hero is a pig.-lol- (I think Leon's phraseology is one reason he is not yet a saint.)
yeah think it’s his middle name. i wonder if he is one of them that actually uses is middle name over his first name.
Ridiculous and unbiblical to you perhaps. But not for Catholics. At Mass we unite with those who have preceded us to Heaven (whom we call saints or the Church Triumphant) and with the angels to adore the Most Holy Trinity. We don't consider saints to have special powers but to have been redeemed and sanctified by Christ.
For us the Mass is just what Hebrews 12:22-24 says: "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks more graciously than the blood of Abel."
For us the Mass is truly a meeting of heaven and earth, a time of unity with those who preceded us in the faith. And this is why we aren't tempted to worship angels or saints despite numerous accusations to the contrary. We worship God in union with them NOT in addition to him.
Peace be with you.
The only one to do that with is Jesus, but his name is not used as much on these Catholic threads.
I do not worship the dead. I do not pray to dead humans. I do not do ancestor worship.
but we could start a thread about the picture at the top of this thread
Nor do I. You're entitled to consider those in heaven dead if you wish. I happen believe they are very much alive in Christ. I'm not out to convince you but only to speak the truth about our beliefs. Peace be with you.
Your posts are very helpful to non-Catholics of goodwill who seek to understand our beliefs. Thank you for them.
More doom sayers than time in which to hear them.
LOL! It does sound like that.
Someone had to pick up the apocalyptic burden, once the Mayan calendar thing was a fizzer.
Didn’t Nostradamus have a few things to say about the Papacy as well?
I seem to recall reading where he predicted the last Pope would be a “Black Red” or a Black Cardinal.
Here’s an interesting diatribe on the various Papal prophecies for anyone who wants to slog through it:
http://www.holocaustrevealed.org/english/s/P288.html
Catholics aren’t going to like that article much, as aside from the prophecies it blames the RCC as well as Lutherans for much of the Holocaust. Controversial theory at best, eh?
Are we seeing somewhat of a prophetic convergence here?
As a non-Catholic, though I have many Catholic ancestors (Irish blood), I agree, they are helpful. It was/is my understanding that “saints” are those that the church can be certain were sanctified, but that anyone truly in the body of Christ is a saint.
No. He’s always Tarcissio.
Thank you for this and post #26. Hebrews 12:22-24 is quite beautiful and I agree with your post, without having known that I believe the same way until your explanations. I very much appreciate your helping my understanding.
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