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To liberals, the ‘gun show loophole’ is the front entrance.
Ping!
Basically, they want to make it ILLEGAL for me to sell a gun I own to you, without doing a background check. Now, just HOW is a private citizen to conduct a background check?
This will be a BOON to gun store owners, since we would not be able to sell our weapons any longer.
H.R. 34: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2013. Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L., Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, And Investigations.
H.R. 117: Handgun Licensing and Registration Act of 2013. Sponsor: Rep Holt, Rush, Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, And Investigations.
H.R. 137: Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013. Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn, Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, And Investigations.
H.R. 141: Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2013. Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn, Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, And Investigations.
S.22: A bill to establish background check procedures for gun shows. Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. Referred to the Senate Judiciary committee
You make some excellent points in connecting the dots here.
Keep in mind that Universal background check are Unconstitutional for three reasons:
1). They are outside the purview of the Federal government’s Constitutionally enumerated powers.
[How can a sale between friends in one state be ‘interstate commerce’?
2). They are an unconstitutional prior restraint on 2nd amendment.
[They are imposing a penalty and a punishment before you can exercise a God-given and Constitutionally affirmed right]
3). AND They are an Infringement on the right of the People to keep and bear arms.
Bottom line: Registration is the Holy grail for the gun grabbers – once they have lists of who has guns, they will come up with a sorts of nefarious schemes to exploit those lists – everything for taxing guns to harassing people for how they are stored. Who know what kinds of abuse that will entail?
I would suggest that we simply use our own terms for this discussion – as you suggested, instead of using those innocuous sounding phrases, we use your term: “Universal Firearms Registration”
The Gun Control Debate
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/heller-gun-control-debate.htm
Universal background checks now, then full registration after the next mass shooting, preferably at a grade-school.
And for those of us who are less knowledgeable but fiercly support the Second Amendment, can you give me/us a simple way to counteract the liberals’ ‘Background checks are not even DONE at gun shows’? Thanks.
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You are, of course, correct. The left is using the most deceptive language possible to try to get “back-door” gun registration.
I’ve suggested turning the tables on them. They want background NICs checks on everyone? Fine, let’s reform the system. There is no reason in the world for a background check to tie back to any particular firearm — no justification at all to have the serial number(s) recorded in any way...including on a 4473.
Why not at least take a jab at playing their game? Take ‘em at face value, and then try to walk ‘em back. At least for once they would be on the defensive.
When are we going to get (1st Amend) Background Checks on MSM word processors?
How many people have they gotten killed with their lying crap?
The gun show loophole is actually a “private seller loophole.”
Good info. Thanks!
Since there isn’t a loophole to start with but an intentional demonizing of individuals’ rights to sell guns to one another peacefully, one can ONLY conclude they are actually working to make all private gun sales illegal unless they have gone through a background check, presumbably through NICS.
Now we hear that “we don’t want to create a gun registry of ‘bad people’ having guns,” “we want to create a registry of law-abiding citizens.”
Well, in early 1930s Germany, Hitler compiled lists of Jews, law-abiding Jews (he’d already committed the ones who fit some miscreant category to prison or mental institutions). So we might have a REGISTRY of law-abiding Americans. Just what in the f@ck is the purpose of that? WTF?
I’ll tell you. Universal Checks (what they want with closing their frigging ‘gun show loophole) are REGISTRATION. And, REGISTRATION is CONFISCATION yet executed. It would only take another Newtown, which they could actually foment, and off they go - a disarmed law-abiding America, while the Holder’s people, Mexico’s People, Nigeria’s People, Allah’s people disregard it with impugnity. Nice times ahead.
An unconstitutional law is not a law.
The fear of being caught acts as a deterrence to many types of crimes.
If your firearm has a 4473 from a purchase and you sell it to someone privately while violating this law, then you can be found out if the gun is later used in a crime.
Or course, if you have a gun that has no 4473, then you are right that there would be no paper trail to say that you bought it and not the average Joe you sold it to.
I can imagine the gov't running stings on people to try to catch illegal sales. Registration is not the only way to enforce this law.
It is worse than you think:
Grandpa is on this last legs. Grandma calls in the families and hands out his guns to them as Grandpa wanted. Then they go down to the gun shop and have them transfered and registered by a gun dealer.
Universal registration of guns. Next confiscation.
It is worse than you think:
Grandpa is on this last legs. Grandma calls in the families and hands out his guns to them as Grandpa wanted. Then they go down to the gun shop and have them transfered and registered by a gun dealer.
Universal registration of guns. Next confiscation.
The whole argument about tracking stolen guns is specious. When you report stolen guns it is entered in a database at the NCIC. Tracking all guns would be duplication of effort and is not needed.
“Universal Background Check”
My response has always been:
“When you figure out a way to ensure drug lords and gang bangers conduct background checks, before arming new recruits, come talk to me.”
“Until then, leave me alone!”
Correct. And the value of weapons that cannot be traced like stolen weapons that come off of the city, county, state, and/or fed lists that legal gun owners reported the theft to plus the SN is worthless in most states as how many people want to contact the city, county etc. every damn year or whatever? I had a 38 cal.plus P Taurus N65 revolver stolen over 14 years ago. I immediately reported it stolen to incluse model number, stainless, and SN. The pistol was only kept on the stolen weapons list of a major US city for a year. I was shocked. So, the criminals win again. Make no mistake that some con artist will make big money selling weapons like that stolen pistol.