Posted on 01/11/2013 5:39:57 PM PST by ReformationFan
Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.
Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.
Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.
Suzanne Venker’s article, “The War on Men,” which appeared on the website of Fox News in late November, has become a lodestone for feminist writers who have attacked her position that the institution of marriage is threatened, not enhanced, by the supposed gains of the feminist movement over the last 50 years.
“Where have all the good (meaning marriageable) men gone?” is a question much talked about lately in the secular media, Venker says, but her answer, backed up by statistics, is not to the liking of mainstream commentators influenced by feminism.
She points out that for the first time in US history, the number of women in the workforce has surpassed the number of men, while more women than men are acquiring university degrees.
“The problem? This new phenomenon has changed the dance between men and women,” Venker wrote. With feminism pushing them out of their traditional role of breadwinner, protector and provider – and divorce laws increasingly creating a dangerously precarious financial prospect for the men cut loose from marriage – men are simply no longer finding
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The twins are 7 now (8 next month) and the granddaughter is nearly 3. Congrats on your upcoming baby grand!!!! You are going to love, love, love being a grandmother. I sure do.
I’m currently dating a girl of another faith (I’m Catholic, she’s Jewish) and although we hold the same values, politically and morally, the religious disconnect may be too much in the future.
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Lived in mixed marriage settings and I assure you it is too much. One of you convert or end it.
You know this song goes two ways.
I married a man who seemed happy and had a bunch of children.
He had hidden addictions and after years of trying to get back on track and near bankrupcy and drama we separated.
He loves his life alone. and I raised the kids. Now that the kids are older they adore him, he never says no.
I have one child perceptive enough to see his game. The rest just love their drama with him catering to all their whims. He now is letting one daughter explore her lesbian self in ninth grade. And when I try to talk to him about it he lies.
Is the 50% divorce rate the result of mixed marriage settings?
Is the 50% divorce rate the result of mixed marriage settings?
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IDK but it accounts for a lot of misery in marriage. If you cannot be spiritually on the same page, then what worth is the intimacy of marriage.
Christianity accounts for a lot of misery in marriage?
IDK but it accounts for a lot of misery in marriage
Christianity accounts for a lot of misery in marriage?
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No, religously mixed marriages.
she dont look like she’s roaring anymore...
“the religious disconnect may be too much in the future”
If you hold to a strong Christian belief it will be...trust me, been there done that and I literally experienced the ‘warring of the soul” that the apostle Paul spoke of concerning fornication and the Christian.
If you have a strong faith or are desirous of one but are fornicating outside of marriage especially with one who is not a Christian, you’ll be ripped to shreds emotionally and spiritually and no amount of intellectual game playing or self justifications will allow you to avoid that inner conflict! Get out now!
So what is going on in our society that young men should have become what you describe? You describe the problem and who to blame but you seem to have missed the point of the entire thread. Men are basically saying “women don’t need us and we certainly don’t need them”!
Since we are all individuals and therefor each different in our own ways, we see the whole spectrum of good and bad, strong and weak, brave and spineless, loving and self-centered - etc.
I know exactly how you feel only it is because my wife and I were not strong enough in our impressing upon our daughter life and the realities of life that she became a Pagan Druid Priest and now we have separated her from our family.
wynyns is not in the dictionary nor do I have a single clue as to what your refer.
wynyns is not in the dictionary nor do I have a single clue as to what your refer.
I would stray and flirt with other women but I remained faithful to my wife and our vows of marriage and love.
One thing missing in a lot of today’s world is moral hazard. When banks can sell bad mortgages to a federal agency, what is to lose for the bank? It’s not like the day when the banker was risking loaning his neighbors money to another neighbor to buy a house.
An issue with marriage today IMO is that there is little moral hazard for the woman. Women marry, get tired of whatever and are virtually guaranteed half the assets and the kids if they choose. There is considerably more moral hazard in it for for most bread winner men; half the assets, house, kids, alimony, child support, etc. Marriage is a two person partnership that can be dissolved with one vote and a known loser.
“I now see women driving while the man is sitting in the passenger seat when the kids may or may not be in the back”
In city close proximity driving, because of the physiological characteristics of how women visually focus, they perceive the potential for collisions differently (and inaccurately) from men and are often quite anxious, needing to feel in control of the wheel.(a Christian Physician doing a Focus on the Family segment explained the mechanics of female focalization verses male visual focalization) Hence the distracting bickering that can occur while the man is trying to drive...even in very good marriages.
Sometimes it is better to let the wife drive in city situations as it negates one needless hassle. In my situation, my wife is quite happy when I drive the “long haul” highway miles while she reads, knits or sews but in close city driving we find it is better that she have the wheel!
I agree with your other points, but your points concerning the driving habits of husbands and wives together need some reconsideration. It is not always a sign that a husband is a wimp when a woman is at the wheel during city driving but rather an emotional accommodation to the woman’s lesser visual acuity and 3d processing.
Women see better and focus better on near field objects, men are better at processing at longer distances and have better 3d processing/ visual spatial abilities. Hence women think that another car is closer than it is. To the woman, like the sign in the passenger side mirror states...”objects are closer than what they may appear”, though in reality they aren’t!
Thank you for expressing far more eloquently than I could my immediate and visceral reaction to the vitriolic and hyper-defensive post.
After getting burned BADLY (”what’s her name?” when I’m 10 minutes later than usual getting home because I stopped to pick her up some FLOWERS! and several physical assaults {fortunately I am big enough that I was able to restrain her without any damage to either of us} are typical examples among hundreds just from MY experience) I too “quit” looking for a lifemate
MISS Wood, there is far more evidence of the mistreatment of the North American male over the last half century than there EVER was of the mistreatment of Western women by Western men over the remainder of history. That you CHOOSE not to see it is not my problem.
You are totally right, there have been very serious changes in America in the last 50 years, most of those changes brought about by wars that forced many women into the work force.
My point here on this thread however has been that MANY, not all, but many male Freepers have either in direct words, or, inference have begun to indicate that the many problems we face now are all being caused by women.
I’m not going to get into Clinton talk, wondering what “is” means, I simply feel (harsh word for guys I know) that there is an undercurrent going on that alot of men, and women on this site know is there, only I’m not afraid to say something about it.
And for those who think Shadowstrike is female... Nope,I happen to be able to use both sides of my brain not just get into a dick swiggin’ contest.
Shadowstrike just happens to be one of those rare individuals who sees women as partners, someone who actually reads all the Bible, not just the parts that say it’s okay to treat women like property.
I had to go back and re-read my own hastefully composed post to understand your reply. It’s been a couple days.
You state it was the wars that forced women into the work force. But then the wars ended, and women did return home as they did following WWII, didn’t they? No, it was something else, I think, and not only feminism, but a desire for greater rewards, comfier life, bigger cars and bigger homes, TV in every room, all of that promoted by the media, magazines, television and popular movies.
And if women became liberated, however you wish to interpret the word (meaning that it is valid, I think, without having to resort to the standard Marxist interpretation), while men remained the same, then it is only natural that men would blame women for the changes in the society as consequences of this “liberation”.
The undercurrent of resentments and recriminations is here, as you observe, and perhaps it is not even an undercurrent, but it has little to do with the Sharia Law, I think.
And finally, of all the women I worked with in my last job, and as an IT professional I had contact with many people in various departments of the corporation, I recall only two whom you could describe as feminine, one a young Indian programmer, and the other an HR manager around 40. Some of the others, like the hetero 30s corporate gym manager was so butch that she was unapproachable. Others were just bland, while the few lesbians there appeared to be most comfortable in their own skins. It’s all of course merely anecdotal evidence from some corner of the universe.
I am late to this thread but-in reading the posts and especially the exchange between Shadowstrike and Revolting Cat, I think you have summed it up best. MISOGNY.
There is a disturbing similiarity between those who claim to be conservatives on this site and the Islamic religion in the blaming of women for damn near everything. Americans complaining about women DRIVING and WORKING.?! That is exactly how the Saudi’s feel- so they restrict women drivers and workers. When longed-for ‘traditions’ go as far as wishing women could be submissive and satisfied to make babies and cookies- and the only difference between that attitude and Sharia law is SEMANTICS- I can see how comparison is valid.
How about the fact that MEN of old were the total support for their families. Women ruled the home- but men paid for everything. How many men now can- or want to- do that?
Control of women is control of women- whether its by Sharia law or wanting western females in 2013 to be more like women were in 1320. The desire-and the message is the same- REGRESSION, STAGNATION for women. A PLACE that should be consistent and maintained. That is precisely the prevailing treatment of women in Islam-and those who agree with the philosophy should be MEN enough to speak plainly and own up to it! Don’t play cute with semantics.
Clinton insulted us with the debate over what ‘is’ is. If any here really believe that womankind is the root of all that is wrong in the world, that they should be controlled and obedient, have the testicular fortitude to SAY it plainly. Then those of us who oppose MISOGNY wherever we find it will classify you with the other barbarians who wish to return to the dark ages. But be prepared- IF you are honest- for the women in your life to stop working to pay for your satellite TV, big screens, WII’s and Xboxes.
Actually, there is nothing stopping men who believe women should be more like their submissive ancestors imposing that philosophy in daily life. Anyone trying that with their wives, daughters, mothers? Live the dream...and let us know how that works for you.
I just like straight talk- and those who espouse the SAME philosophy toward women as those who are terrorizing the world must be prepared to have that pointed out.If you don’t want your beliefs compared to Sharia , perhaps you should hear yourself as you promote it.
Don’t urinate on my head and tell me it’s rain.
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