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>>>The gambling rule is quite explicit, clear, and non-negotiable. Baseball employees that gamble on baseball, AT ALL, are banned for life. A copy of that rule is posted in every locker room and dugout, including the dugout from which Ruth placed bets using the dugout phone.

It’s not about being saints, it’s about not being a dumbass.<<<

Actually, betting on games not involving your own team is a one year suspension. Betting for or against your own team is a lifetime ban.

I have somewhat mixed feelings on Rose. On one hand, he created a situation where he put the integrity of the game at great risk. On the other hand, he never bet against his own team, so he didn’t actually fix games (the fear of which is the underlying reason for the rule against gambling). Of course betting on a team you are managing could cause you to exhaust too many resources (particularly pitchers) in one game that you had bet on.

I don’t think Rose should get in, but I’d rather see him get in the HOF than Bonds, Clemmens, Palmiero, etc.

Whether he ever gets in the HOF or not, Rose and anyone else who gambles in games involving his own team, should NEVER be allowed to be a player, manager or other employee of MLB or any of its franchises.

Betting for the team really isn’t better, what future games is he “throwing” by over using players for the game he bet on. And then of course there’s the question of if you believe him. He’d said for years he never bet on baseball, then he admitting betting on baseball but never games he participated in, now he admits to betting on those games but always to win. I won’t be surprised if one of these days he says he bet them to lose but always beating the spread.

I feel terrible about Rose. His career as a player easily puts him in the HOF. His behavior as manager however completely negates all the greatness he acheived.

And yes, supposedly he only bet on the Reds to win, but apparently he didn't bet when a certain pitcher started (I forget the name).

So he not only violated the lifetime ban for gambling, he was a cheater, too. He used inside information on his players and knew when to bet big, and when to hold back.

And yes as manager he could easily affect the game. Point spreads, etc.

It's not just gambling, it's dirty gambling, playing with your own marked deck of cards.

I still love the guy for what he did on the field.

But despise him for his lying and cheating.

Can't put him in the Hall. And it breaks my heart.