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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Carbine for the house? OH GOSH YES! I suggest a Rossi, not a Puma, for the money value. The Puma line are near Browning Hi Power cost, whereas, a Rossi will not break you. They make them in most revolver calibers, and even .44-40. I read a report, that stated a carbine in 16-inch barrel lentgth, (I believe it was on CHUCKHAWKS.COM), is the optimal length of a barrel for a .357 Magnum chambering. Any longer a barrel, and the ‘law of diminishing returns’ kicks in, and we don’t need that. Yes, folks do suggest mostly 158-grain loads, but for home defense, for me, I employ 125-grain loads. Remember, too, a 16-inch .357 magnum carbine weighs less than five pounds. That read-about .357 magnum ‘oomph’ has to go somewhere when that bullet leaves the barrel, and your shoulder is where it is going. You will feel the difference in the grain weight loads.

Here is what my 20th Century ‘jaeger rifle’ looks like, complete with John Wayne large lever loop:

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=174&category=8&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=

No scopes, no hooded sights. I have ordered, and emplaced a leather ‘butt cuff’ like this one:

http://www.diamonddcustomleather.com/Rifle_Butt_Cuff.php

(Won’t the liberals have fun with trying to regulate a handmade piece of leather, huh?)

And like the author, yes - the rifle can chamber both .357 Magnum and .38 Special, in that order, I prefer to feed this little beastie only factory 125-grain .357 Magnum loads. I was told that particular round is good on all things, feral.

So, enjoy life, get one of these little beasties, get the other leather to go with it - someone out there makes a muzzle cap, too - and for the full experience, get a pair of ‘mechanics’ style gloves at your hardware dealer in desert tan. (Shooting a lever action with a good set of gloves will save your hand.)

http://www.mechanix.com/tactical/the-original-coyote-glove

Have fun, learning how to guard hearth and home, like our pioneering forefathers did in The Great West. Besides, this particular carbine is in no way shape or fashion anything close to an “Evil Battle Rifle”, or E.B.R!!!

Happy New Year to all the Freepers!

Long live the Republic!


28 posted on 12/26/2012 8:19:01 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith
I'm surprised this thread got this far without someone bringing up the Sub 2000 in 40 S&W. I have the glock mag model and thirty plus round mags for it, as well as Glock 22 mags for it. With hollow point ammo this weapon is not only light, it packs a wallop and is small enough to 'clear a house' with. And if you want to take it 'camping', it folds down to 16 inches from its 29.5 inch shooting length. I've shot eveything I can find, including Tula through it and it eats them all with no hiccups. [If you get one, put a hogue finger grip on the thing and enjoy ... with the ammo now available for the 40 S&W, I've stepped down from .45 acp to 40 S&W for home and personal defense. I can manage the recoil better ...

And while I'm rambling, the 5.56 in pistol configuration with two or three 30 round Pmags makes a nice surprise if a gaggle of feral ver4min show up at your home, uninvited.

31 posted on 12/26/2012 8:42:14 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Terry L Smith

25 years ago when I patrolled,the .357 125 JHP was the Indiana State Police issue,but the revolvers were retired in favor of semi-autos in 9mm and then ,I think, switched to .40 sometime later.

.357 had the highest rating in terms of one-shot stops,

Politics won over ballistics in moving Americam miliatary and police from proven .45 and .357 to the European/NATO 9mm.

Copying Europe is not the best path for America;I thought THAT was decided in 1776 !


53 posted on 12/26/2012 11:02:27 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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