Posted on 12/06/2012 6:49:48 AM PST by patriot08
Americans are no longer citizens of a republic, but subjects of a reigning oligarchy composed of self-serving politicians, who are subservient to international financiers and enabled by a dishonest and partisan press.
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The outcome of the 2012 Presidential election was determined by massive voter fraud. This was done in two ways (1) illegal voters and (2) erasing votes.
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In the face of numerous signs and symptoms of a stolen election, there is no investigation. There is only silence.
The Republican Party is dead or should be.
There is a report claiming that he Republican Party signed a legal agreement with the Democrat Party in 1982 not to pursue suspected vote fraud.
If there is no guarantee of election integrity, then elections become only window dressing for tyranny
Continhttp://www.newyorkdailysun.com/election-conspiracy/959ue at
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Left leaning Federal Judges, would certainly use those provisions to interdict official Republican efforts to control the very abuses that have been reported in the last few Federal elections. They are virtually all in precincts where the ethnic composition was a significant factor.
There are certainly ways to attack what has been going on; but the timidity of the RNC is bolstered by the very language that you quote.
William Flax
How does the popular vote make vote rigging harder than the electoral college method?
Col Sellin is a prolific writer on these topics, and his articles are all over the net!
A retired USAR officer, fired by Petraeus a couple years back, etc.
Interesting reading.....
Semper Watching!
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There should be no question but that we must demand the fullest possible investigation, followed by the criminal prosecution of those involved in any of such antics.
How, frankly, can this point even be debated?!
William Flax
I read that.
That works both ways, though. It also means that there are more opportunities to manipulate votes - there are plenty of big cities in blue states where additional votes could be manufactured if those states now matterd and if there was a nationwide voter fraud effort. NYC, LA, SF, Boston/Cambridge, Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, DC, the list goes on.
I am convinced the voter fraud argument is crap. It’s just an excuse for having an idiot candidate and being led by the likes of Karl Rove.
HOWEVER, I am VERY suspicious of election fraud, i.e. electronic voting machines. You want fair elections? Start there and demand that we go to paper ballots. No more E voting. It is absurd to me that we tolerate that.
Precisely why TERM LIMITS are absolutely necessary! Get 'em out before they can establish their criminal empires.
Yeah, that'll stop it. They won't be premarking hundreds of ballots in the back room of the union hall or RAT HQ (but, I repeat myself). They won't "find" boxes of paper ballots after they know how many are neded. Their minons won't vote in multiple locations under multiple identities. Is the < /sarc > tag really needed?
“Popular vote means every state counts”
No, almost the exact opposite. Popular vote means simple majority counts and states are irrelevant. A handful of big cities could choose the president. At least with the electoral college suburbs and elsewhere can duke it out with the Democrat centers of population.
But Roveians and their enablers aren’t the sort to employ this excuse. They’re more likely to blame the Tea Party. Voter fraud may be an excuse, just not for that.
Guess we’ll need to agree to disagree on this one.
My definition of a democracy is one vote, one person and ensuring that those who vote are eligible. Every vote must count, and that means that no one can shift votes even if for my candidate, that all votes can be audited and recounted, and that an elite few called “electors” are not used to consolidate our votes. We must have honest accurate voting and it must be overseen by all involved, and the desire of the media for prompt results needs nullified.
“My definition of a democracy...”
There’s the rub. We are not a democracy. The electoral college was designed deliberately to frustrate one man one vote, and we are, or were, the better for it.
So then if we aren’t a true democracy then why do politicians claim we have freedoms? Personally I believe I alone as a benevolent dictator could run this country much fairer and much better than the crop of corrupt beholden politicians of both Parties that are owned and will vote for laws that favor only their benefactors.
“if we aren’t a true democracy then why do politicians claim we have freedoms?”
Freedom is not dependent on democracy. It is endangered by it, rather, though not only by it.
“Personally I believe I alone as a benevolent dictator could run this country much fairer and much better...”
Perhaps, though power corrupts. More importantly, why present as alternatives democracy so far as we have it and dictatorship? Can’t you imagine anything else, perhaps more conducive to the freedoms you mention? Like for instance the US as laid out in the Constitution.
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