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1 posted on 11/17/2012 11:40:22 AM PST by patriot08
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...Florida's St. Lucie County (where Mr. Obama got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters)

You would think that a fact like this would draw the interest of your average red-blooded all-America journalist.

2 posted on 11/17/2012 11:44:44 AM PST by fhayek
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Of COURSE he cheated. But the sad part of the problem is,other than Allen West, and some Tea Party patriots, the Republicans are passing it off as a “ hispanic problem, lack of interest in Evangelical Christians, etc etc....

The election 2012 was STOLEN!!! Absolutely without a doubt.
Shame on our CONGRESS for not establishing a National VOTER ID law!


3 posted on 11/17/2012 11:46:07 AM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: patriot08
Obama got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters

What's more disturbing is that in '08 McRino pimped him saying we didn't have to be afraid of an Obama presidency and didn't press for equal vetting, and in '12 Romney isn't pursuing BLATANT voter fraud. We haven't had a two party system for at least the middle of W's reign.

4 posted on 11/17/2012 11:47:59 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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It is not possible for a democrat to win an election without cheating in One way or another.


9 posted on 11/17/2012 11:55:41 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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Steyn or Hanson pointed out that in a few Philadelphia precincts, Obama got 100% to Romney’s 0% of the votes cast.

Gee whiz, professor—props to The Cipher!
The Wayback time machine tells us that he did even better than Josef Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler or Korea’s Kims in their overwhelming electoral victories ...
And the birds sing his praises in human voices over at Demokrat Undersewer.


10 posted on 11/17/2012 11:57:06 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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Why have I not heard ANYTHING from John fund on ANY of the talk shows on the TV, radio or Internet?


11 posted on 11/17/2012 11:57:40 AM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: patriot08

Why have I not heard ANYTHING from John fund on ANY of the talk shows on the TV, radio or Internet?


12 posted on 11/17/2012 11:57:46 AM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: patriot08
I'm getting tired of so many conservatives making conservatives look like idiots. We are supposed to be the intelligent group.

There are 15 states with photo ID requirements for voting.

This is correct. The states are: Idaho, South Dakota, Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida.

Mr. Obama lost in all of them.

President Obama won Hawaii, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida. So he won 5 of the 15.

The other 10 are conservative states where he was not expected to be competitive. Conservatives like voter ID photo ID laws, so it's not surprising that conservative states passed these laws, or that Obama lost them.

The writer got his facts wrong, and then used faulty logic to try to make a point unsupported by his facts.

In places with the weakest controls, specifically counties in Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Pennsylvania, he generally drew turnouts in the 90% or greater range and won by better than 95% of the vote.

The only criteria the writer has for "weakest controls" is that he claims it, based on the outcome. The claim of 90% turnout was false, and debunked in several news stories. No claim for the 90% is ever accompanied by an actual link to voting results. Obama did win some precincts by 95% or better, but so did every democrat running in those precincts over the last 10 years, because there are in fact places where everybody is a liberal democrat.

Losers tend to look for external explanations,

Especially easily deceived losers who like to grasp at straws and live in a fantasy world.

and a lot of conservatives looking at numbers like those from Florida's St. Lucie County (where Mr. Obama got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters)

That claim is false, started by an idiot who saw a report on the number of ballots returned, and didn't know that there were two ballots per voter. Now lots of conservatives repeat this stupid claim because they can't be bothered to check the facts.

are starting to question the legitimacy of the electoral results as reported.

This is one of those "action sentences" used by writers who don't have anything useful to say, but want to suggest that other people have bought into their delusion.

Sad thing is, there are real issues, but they are being buried by the absurd global conspiracy arguments being made, which act only to make conservatives look stupid.

That's not good news for democracy,

That's not good for conservatives, when our own side makes us look like fools.

because the system works only if we trust it -- and having a majority in the GOP write off a minority who think the results were rigged serves nobody.

Not sure what the writer's point is here -- he starts out talking about trusting the system being important, and then faults people for not buying into rediculous conspiracy theories. Not even Democrats. So what we need is an independent means of testing the electoral result.

Something the writer has no clue about how to actually do. For example, you could take a precinct where you think the results are odd, and then look at the historical data for that precinct. I did this for several of the precincts mentioned in various blogs, and found that the results of this election match historical norms.

You can also compare results to polls, and in this case you find the polls match the election results, even unvarnished trivial looks like the RCP average, which shows that Obama was leading in 3 of the 4 swing states mentioned in this article. The traditional way of doing this is, of course, to assume legitimacy, then gather anecdotal evidence of vote-cheating, promote that to sworn testimony through.....

That's hardly the "traditional way" of testing the results. What that is is simply the traditional outcome of an election. We "assume" legitimacy because there's no value in assuming fraud. Do you go to the grocery store assuming that all the food has been poisoned, and then buy equipment to test all your food when you get home to be, sure it is safe? No, you assume that if there was poison you'd find out about it pretty quickly.

The system works, because unlike the fantasy world occupied by the conspiracists who give conservatives a bad name, in the real world people who run for office actually want to win more than anything, having invested their lives in the process, and therefore are highly motivated to examine the election outcome and find evidence that they were cheated.

A perfect example of this is Allen West, who isn't the exception, but the norm. He saw things that looked wrong, and he pushed for a recount. We don't know how that will turn out.

I've never known a politician who would walk away from a fraudulent result without a fight. People who would do so would never get into politics in the first place.

21 posted on 11/17/2012 12:23:08 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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BTW, I’m sure there was voter fraud, and I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere it was enough to throw an election.

Unfortunately, I also am sure that we’ll never know about it, in no small part because of the vast conspiracy theory meme being thrown around.

Nobody can actually look for real fraud, because there is too much disinformation; people are grasping at straws, and missing the substance.


23 posted on 11/17/2012 12:29:55 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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<>(where Mr. Obama got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters)<>

That is pure bs. Any lame brain at American Thinker with a computer could check and find out that Obama got 66,246 votes in St Lucie.

When are “conservatives” going to quit with this blatant lie.

http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

Now what is true and worth noting is that the Democrat Supervisor of Elections Dirty Gerty Walker got 76,000 votes — 10,000 more than Obama — while her Republican opponent got 41,000 — 15,000 less than Romney. How is that even remotely possible???

That should raise eyebrows.


24 posted on 11/17/2012 1:02:10 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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Did Obunga cheat?

Is the bear Catholic? Does the Pope....

/R Crumb

25 posted on 11/17/2012 1:34:56 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: patriot08

We no longer have a democracy, with our Pravda main stream media and crooked election system.


31 posted on 11/17/2012 4:14:30 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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The RNC and DNC made their Consent Decree 30 years ago, in 1982. The agreement in effect gives a carte blanche to the Democrat Party to commit vote fraud in every voting district across America that has, in the language of the Consent Decree, “a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations.”

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/


35 posted on 11/17/2012 6:01:25 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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Did you put this political essay in chat?


37 posted on 11/17/2012 6:35:05 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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