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The most ardent partisans cannot accept that their passionate strivings are being used against them. They will smugly sit and giggle about tin-foil hats like so many schoolchildren. I don't think we can stop what has been set in motion, but exploring the idea that our two party system is a sham may lead a few people to take a real stand against both.

As Barry Fitzgerald says in The Quiet Man:

"Well, it's a fine soft night, so I think I'll go and join me comrades and talk a little treason."

1 posted on 11/12/2012 1:27:38 PM PST by Dr. Thorne
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try 20M illegals that gets free stuffs.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 1:29:10 PM PST by biggredd1
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My guess is that America keeps moving to the left because True Conservatives(tm) cannot rally around one candidate, and that they cannot let go of the Prescott Bush = Nazi meme.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 1:35:20 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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Because we accept too little.

Instead of calling for the glory days of 4 years ago, we should strive to achieve an America of 40 years ago. (and more)


5 posted on 11/12/2012 1:35:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Absent morality and wisdom the allure of buying things for yourself with someone else’s credit card is powerful.


6 posted on 11/12/2012 1:36:31 PM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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It's very simple.

Just yell, "FREE STUFF AHEAD!" to the imbeciles of Kardatian Nation.

"You'll give me all that free stuff, just for putting on these shiny bracelets? Really? Thanks! What a deal!"


7 posted on 11/12/2012 1:36:42 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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1. A television/entertainment culture dominated by leftists.

2. Public education run by leftists.

3. Decline in moral character, brought about in part by #1 and #2 above


8 posted on 11/12/2012 1:38:30 PM PST by Cementjungle
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A long time ago, it was decided that the work week was 40 hours long and 2 weeks of vacation was enough to keep workers refreshed and motivated. We accepted the fact that some of our compensation package would be in benefits rather than money (health care, life insurance, vacation days, etc).

Then, we started automating. And downsizing. And offshoring. And then automation got really good.

We still work a 40 hour work week. Where did all the “labor saving” go? It went into putting American out of work because if you aren’t working 40 hours, you are gone.

We kept the benefits, so it is cheaper to pay your existing workers overtime than it is to hire more people.

So, as more Americans forcibly leave the workforce each year due to efficiency of the machinery, they are left with nothing to depend on but government handouts. Every worker who is laid off is a prime candidate to join the Democrats.

The globalists like the Bush family and Bill Clinton and the Marxists like Obama and Hillary know this fact.

We could put all Americans back to work by simply outlawing overtime. I do a job that was done by three a few years ago (I design and program industrial automation), so I get an obscene amount of OT, but in the interests of the nation I’d give it up right now.

Reducing the work week to 36 hours would also help. Lets give the working Americans some free time and create some jobs for those who are welfare-dependent.

But, this requires sacrifice and in today’s America, sacrifice is what you demand from the Other Guy.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 1:39:22 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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I’m starting to think it’s mind control.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 1:40:14 PM PST by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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47%. The takers are starting to outnumber the makers.

Four years of Carter shook it up enough to slow it. I thought four years of Obama would do the same. Seems it’ll take at least 8.

SnakeDoc


12 posted on 11/12/2012 1:40:24 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Texas survived one Obama term, and we'll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.)
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Ye, we have asked that question and we know the answer and have always known answer: OBAMA MONEY!!!

As Rush says, the Democrat Party is the party of Santa Clause, giving away free stuff.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 1:42:37 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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The drift from a representative republic to a more pure democracy (mobocracy) along with decline in public morals will almost inevitably mean 51% will confiscate the wealth of and enslave the 49%.


14 posted on 11/12/2012 1:42:43 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 1:43:11 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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In view of the results of this last election the answer to this question is crystal clear, or at least it should be.

You have an America hating bumbling buffoon who just won re-election by stitching together a coalition of groups who are receiving in one way shape of form a living from the government, at the expense of others who produce.

Of course this has been obvious for years but some things you don't really know until the proof is in front of your nose, and if you'd asked me before last Tuesday I would have guessed that when the time came, in spite of what benefit government provided them personally, a majority of people would choose the obvious best path for the nation.

They didn't & I gotta admit like many I was stunned. Don't think I'll ever see this country & its people the same.

16 posted on 11/12/2012 1:44:56 PM PST by skeeter
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Because the propaganda machines (schools, tv, movies, news) all have a strong left wing bent.

The miracle is that there are any young conservatives at all.


17 posted on 11/12/2012 1:45:00 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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“Americans will be thrilled at the prospect of a return to the prosperous Bush years when Jeb Bush runs and wins in 2016.”

As the Brits would say: “Not bloody likely!”

The libs won’t vote for a Bush, the conservatives won’t vote for a Bush, so who would?


18 posted on 11/12/2012 1:46:56 PM PST by Boogieman
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You’re not really a doctor, are you?


19 posted on 11/12/2012 1:47:13 PM PST by matt1234
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“We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12)


20 posted on 11/12/2012 1:47:30 PM PST by jimbobfoster
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I think you are over-thinking this one. No massive secret conspiracy required.

Our culture-creating organs have been almost entirely controlled by leftists for 50 years. Elections are merely expressions of the popular will, which is largely formed by the culture.

We are just seeing the consequences of 50 years of the Right ignoring the culture while focusing on politics. It worked for a while and we had some victories, notably the (possibly temporary) defeat of Communism. But we are now beginning to pay the price for abandoning the culture.


21 posted on 11/12/2012 1:48:17 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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1)Because the Conservatives are civilized and refuse to brake the law.

Even for our children, and grandchildren.

2)Because Conservatives still believe things will change at the ballot box. So we wait, and wait, and wait.

3)Because Conservatives are not hurting enough, and do not feel threatened enough to stop the commie leviathon.


22 posted on 11/12/2012 1:48:20 PM PST by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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1)Because the Conservatives are civilized and refuse to break the law.

Even for our children, and grandchildren.

2)Because Conservatives still believe things will change at the ballot box. So we wait, and wait, and wait.

3)Because Conservatives are not hurting enough, and do not feel threatened enough to stop the commie leviathon.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 1:49:28 PM PST by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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