ksen->You do realize don't you that your response is why government assistance is need since your too damn stingy to help out people who need it.
He never said he was too stingy to pay for it. He said don't steal his money to do it. Charity is a free will offering. If he doesn't want to give, who are you, or anyone else for that matter, to FORCE him to give.
Prior to the welfare state we had less problems with poverty in this country than we do now. People who really needed help went to the churches and got help. That allowed someone to make sure they really needed help and the churches saw to it that they didn't become junkies for free money.
Cool story bro. Us white guys have had it real rough.
We have. We've been carrying most of the non-whites for decades. When do we get to enjoy the fruit of our labor rather than have it confiscated at the point of a gun?
You're so deluded that you're really going to call a program advocated by libertarian hero Hayek as socialist?
If it involved taking money by force from some people in order to give it to others than it is socialism. If Hayek advocated this then he betrayed libertarianism. (Now if he advocated taking up a voluntary contribution to do this it would be OK. That's what we had before the welfare state)
If it involved taking money by force from some people in order to give it to others than it is socialism.
You've just made the argument that military, police, fire and rescue wages are socialism.