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A RINO [Mitt] running as a yes man conservative (and losing) isn't a rejection of conservatism
11/8/2012 | Laissez-Faire Capitalism

Posted on 11/08/2012 7:22:08 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: chris37
All of them are conservative and all of them were defeated.

So what. Liberals also lost some races. And Conservatives also won some races. We also gained in the US House and some state races. Your point is meaningless.

41 posted on 11/08/2012 8:33:39 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All
If you think Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough you haven't any clue what's happened to the electorate.

Get out of your bubble, leave your echo chamber.

It's very difficult to unseat a sitting president. Even as unpopular as W was in 2004, he was reelected. Obama was well liked and he's the first black president of the United States. That's not Romney's fault.

Voters still blamed BUSH for the state of the economy more than Obama. That's not Romney's fault. Obama ran a campaign of fear, begged for more time to fix things and won. It's that simple.

Grassroots conservatives failed to produce a nominee with FOUR YEARS to coalesce behind one against Romney for this election. Suck it up.

Grassroots conservatives lost very winnable US Senate seats over the past two cycles that would've flipped the Senate to the GOP: Akin? Mourdock? O'Donnell? Angle?

Akin and Mourdock losing 300K-500K votes from Romney's margins of victory in those states is on THEM and "grassroots conservatives" who foisted them on the electorates in those states. That's not Romney's fault.

Why are you blaming pollsters and analysts? They weren't the ones who stayed home because Romney was a Mormon... don't tell me that wasn't a factor; read the posts from Freepers who didn't vote for him because of that.

I don't see much criticism leveled at the pick of Paul Ryan here. There's NO evidence he helped the ticket and plenty of reason to think he harmed it. While I like his willingness to stick his neck out with proposals as budget chair, I always thought it was a dangerous choice. I hoped the chemistry between Romney and Ryan might come through. On his own, Ryan came off as scripted, insincere, wonkish, distant and even unlikable. He was NOT ready for big stage. In the end, clearly he was a liability, he was hidden by the campaign in safe states.

42 posted on 11/08/2012 8:40:44 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate voter Freepers for making him president til 2017!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Romney wasn’t a bad candidate he ran a bad “Johnny One Note” campaign and had bad campaign advisors . He needed to go after Obama with a grape shot cannon and had all kinds of shot to stuff in it instead of using a poison dart blow gun.

In addition Rove who I understand was handling the Senate campaign played games and his material
never warned voters that if Obama gets re-elected as well as senate the chances of repealing Obama care ...AND ALL THE TAX INCREASES THAT GO WITH IT WILL NEVER GET REPEALED


43 posted on 11/08/2012 8:43:24 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("Vengence is mine".....Thus sayeth the Lord.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

We lose on a national level because our electorate is divided into group identities. We had two intelligent, capable candidates, and we had good issues. We lost anyway. Unless we appeal to ethnic minorities, we can’t win. And it does no good to make derogatory remarks about ethnic minorities.


44 posted on 11/08/2012 8:47:59 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All
They are not obsolete. Krauthammer was very good in his post election analysis. O'Reilly said people like free stuff and want free stuff.

Hannity is a hack and has been for years now.

Rush helped the Democrats win with his "slut" war with Sandra Fluke. It ignited the "War on Women" push. This isn't the first time in recent Rush has created an unnecessary image problem for Republicans. He's supposed to be a professional. He's not new to the scene; he should know better.

I like Levin and although I think he's nuts, I'm enjoying Beck as a change of pace.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 8:48:41 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate voter Freepers for making him president til 2017!)
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To: fwdude

Yes. Bravo to all you high-and-might principled FReepers. Enjoy supporting me and my family the next 4 to 10 years, ‘cause we’re going on the dole since we have no choice. I get your point loud and clear.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 8:56:13 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: newzjunkey
Conservatives have retained control of the US House. So this was not a repudiation of conservatism. You can not point to handful of races and claim they are more important as an indicator of the electorate then the more numerous house wins.

Actually Obama lost 10 million voters. And I bet many people that voted for him, held their nose, as did many people who voted for Romney.

47 posted on 11/08/2012 9:01:03 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: subterfuge

Consider this chemotherapy, which makes you weak, makes you wretch and lose you hair. But necessary for eventual healing.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 9:03:00 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Oh. Ok.

Enjoy Harry Reid’s senate and Barack Obama’s second term then, delusional fool.


49 posted on 11/08/2012 9:09:54 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: fwdude

Not a bad point dude and I hope you’re right in the end.

The fact that my 23 yo daughter has cancer makes thinking about it kinda hard though.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 9:14:23 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: fwdude

Heartless is the description Rick Perry painted me with during one of the early debates as he spoke of the children of illegal immigrants.

But with regard to Murdoch and Aiken, I think future republicans, if any..., are going to have to keep those views to themselves. I understand that they are heartfelt and sincere, and I also agree that God gives souls to babies, however, there isn’t going to be any changing of those laws, women aren’t going to be forced to bear the children of their rapists regardless of the innocence of the baby, and there really is no point in discussing that unless they intend to throw the election in huge fashion.


51 posted on 11/08/2012 9:16:32 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: fwdude

I didn’t say his positions were 100% perfect. I said he was the first GOP candidate since Reagan that seemed to actually stir many of us to really WANT to win to honestly do something great for this country rather than just beat the other guy. That’s all.


52 posted on 11/08/2012 9:21:05 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

So where did George W fall on that list?
If your criteria is nearly someone who won = good candidate then that is a really shallow list.


53 posted on 11/08/2012 9:24:00 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: chris37
Enjoy Harry Reid’s senate and Barack Obama’s second term then, delusional fool.

Just pointing out the facts. Conservatives have retained control of the US House. BTW - Conservatism is why the Republicans got control of the US House in the first place. Also, Obama lost 10 million voters. And he will lose more by the mid-terms. Would have been nice to beat Obama, but only Cain or Palin could have done that, IMHO.

54 posted on 11/08/2012 9:45:56 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: paul544
1. Outreach to Hispanics while retaining our core principles. So Democrat Lite? This is what liberals do. They divide people into groups and treat them as "sub-Americans" pitting them against their opposition. All the Democrats will do is get their "official" Latinos such as La Raza to disqualify anything the Republicans do as far as outreach. This is a non starter. 2. Be more agressive to counter the personal attacks that Republicans suffer at the hands of the Rats. Also a non-starter. You're forgetting a major factor: The media. The media belongs to Democrats. Everyone from the local news to Hollywood can be used by liberals to create a narrative. Anything that the Republicans try to do to counter will simply be ignored by the media. See Benghazi. 3. Look for ways to capitalize on a changing electorate, not fear it. A retread of your first point. This is a straw man. Republicans don't "fear" anyone. They just believe that they can be idealistic and speak to a low-information public in a rational and logical matter...like adults. The Democrats have it right. People are distracted and stupid...that's the reality. Gay, straight, black or white, they're uninformed and distracted. Complicated issues can be demagogued to death by the opposition. So these people need to be talked to like children with catch-phrases, jokes and sound-bites. Hey, even Jesus had to dumb-down complicated ideas for his listeners. Republicans need to drop the idealism and become realists. Run on things that appeal to most people. Look at the exit polls. The majority of Americans agreed with Mitt Romney's views. He was just a horrible spokesman for conservatism because he wasn't a conservative. He was an actor pretending to be a conservative and people didn't buy it. Think about Latinos and blacks. Faith, values and hard work are cornerstones of these cultures--especially Latinos. These people don't support gay marriage and they don't have antipathy towards religion in general. But they vote Democrat. That doesn't make sense. It's all about how you frame the message.
55 posted on 11/08/2012 9:53:26 AM PST by r0tten
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To: justa-hairyape

That Rino also lost 3,000,000 of the Republican Base. GOP-e still can’t find their a$$ with either hand.


56 posted on 11/08/2012 9:56:00 AM PST by JayAr36 ( Political Correctness is the death sentence for America.)
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To: justa-hairyape

I would have really liked to see Cain against Obama, but they destroyed him straight off. I do not belive he is or ever was a womanizer.

Sadly, as a good man, he did not have the mettle to go against sheer evil.

I also do not think that maintaining the house will mean anything at all in the end.

At this point, I think the only way that Americaan ever be rebuilt is from her smoldering ruin. People have some hard lessons to learn.


57 posted on 11/08/2012 9:56:07 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Ah, then label me “heartless” as well. The illegal immigration issue was just about the only serious problem that I had with my governor, but it was a deal breaker for me. On other issues, he was mostly sterling.


58 posted on 11/08/2012 9:57:23 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: JayAr36

Romney basically lost it on base turnout. All he had to do was match McCain/Palin. So history will note that when Romney said the Chik-Fil-A people were not part of his campaign, he lost. What kind of an idiot would turn his back on that out of control grass roots ground swell ?


59 posted on 11/08/2012 10:26:08 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: chris37
I would have really liked to see Cain against Obama, but they destroyed him straight off. I do not belive he is or ever was a womanizer.

They did not destroy him. They attacked him because they knew he could beat Obama. The MSM is the enemy. You do not want to run someone that they like. The people they attack are the people they know will beat them. They took Cain out because the Republicans ran scared. Just like they are now. Anyone Alred hates, should be lifted up onto a pedestal.

I also do not think that maintaining the house will mean anything at all in the end.

Actually it will be very important in the end. The only way to delay the fiscal cliff coming in 2 months, is with bipartisan deal making. Right now there is only one way to get Obama to the table. Threaten him with exposure of his role in Benghazi. The house can impeach him or threaten to impeach him. RINO's will block this because they agreed with the gun running to Islamic Terrorist Organizations in Syria. Conservatives and Tea Party people, never would have agreed to that.

60 posted on 11/08/2012 10:33:39 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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