Posted on 11/07/2012 6:48:07 PM PST by Kolath
To all US Republicans – here is your statistics assignment for today
2008 Obama/Biden 69,456,897 McCain/Palin 59,934,814
20012 Obama/Biden 58,702,702 Romney/Ryan 56,455,982
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The “Aged P” is from Charles Dickens’ Great Expectations. It’s short for the “Aged Parent.”
My pastor has a license plate with it on it - it’s funny.
Evangelicals voted for Romney with 79%, and Catholic Americans with 48%, and you guys think that Evangelicals are the bad guys?
Who else gave Romney 79% of their vote, no one did.
For what it's worth, CNN exit polls show that the ONLY religious group to vote for Romney were Evangelicals -- by a margin of 78-21%.
In sharp contrast, you'll find that wasn't the case among...
...religious mainliners (libs)
...Catholics (50-48% Obama)
...Jewish (69-30% Obama)
...And, of course, black Protestants
Now it is true that there was little "turn-out-the-vote" pushes among many Evangelical segments (there were some).
But what do you expect? Evangelicals weren't consulted in who the GoP-E was going to push; Evangelicals weren't given a presence @ the National Convention; the "outreach" effort to Billy Graham came only very desperately quite late.
And what do you expect on that, anyway, given that Mitt Romney's official Mormon teaching is that Evangelicals, other Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox, as well as Jews are all "apostates" of their faith...???
Romney's official "first vision" in his sacred book references Christian sects and their creeds -- all 100% of them -- as an "abomination" before the Mormon god...and that 100% of Christian professing believers are "corrupt."
So, what kind of "strategy" is it to behind the scenes, pump $millions into a church that openly attacks Christians & Christianity, but smile thru your teeth in face-to-face encounters???
Sorry. Not a very inspirational choice.
I voted for Virgil Goode...but I don't think there were very many states whose third party candidates collectively garnered more than 2% of the vote. Florida may have been the only state where third-party voting may have made a difference.
Ignorant comment, devoid of reality.
Evangelicals chose Obama? Really?
Check the exit polls yourself...
Protestants went 57-42% for Romney. (White Evangelicals 78-21% for Romney) Source: CNN exit polls
I find it quite interesting in these threads that nobody is talking about Catholics, who went 50-48% for Obama.
(It is true that if you subtract Hispanic Catholics, that Romney won the White Catholic vote...but not by much)
Oh, and it wasn't just "fringe" religionists who helped Obama. While Romney indeed won the weekly church attender vote (59-39%), still, you're talking about Obama getting about 40% of the vote from people who attend church EVERY week (vs. the monthly goers), what does that say about their faith informing them about issues of character, social issues, etc?
Wrong...at least not per the exit polls released by the Pew Forum..
In 2004, Evangelicals were 21% of the voting block; 23% in 2008; and 24% in 2012...That's an increase!
Two religious group voting blocks that did shrink were white Protestants (mainliners who aren't Evangelical) -- fell from 42-39% since '08...and white Catholics, which dropped slightly.
Evangelical or Christian Conservatives refused to come out and vote for a Mormon. That’s all there is to it. [FryingPan101, post #31]
Also off-base...Per the Pew Forum exit poll results, Romney got the Mormon vote -- 78-21%. Compare that to white Evangelicals, & they gave Romney a 79-20% margin. Iow, white Evangelicals "out-Romneyed" even Mormon voters!!!
Source: How the Faithful Voted: 2012 Preliminary Analysis
[Ansel12 to FryingPan101; frogjerk; chickadee]: Evangelicals voted for Romney with 79%, and Catholic Americans with 48%, and you guys think that Evangelicals are the bad guys? Who else gave Romney 79% of their vote, no one did.
Good question.
Evangelical or Christian Conservatives refused to come out and vote for a Mormon. That’s all there is to it. [FryingPan101, post #31]
There is one red-blue dot geographical map -- up by a Mormon -- The Impact of Mitt’s Mormonism: Bible Belt Blue -- who did note a swath of blue running from Louisiana to the east all the way to North Carolina.
It seems particularly prominent in Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.
Apparently -- at least the contention is made -- that in these states, there were a significant # of white Evangelicals who "stayed home."
The Lds poster concedes that it had no electoral college impact...given that "These are folks who knew their state was deep red, for the most part. So staying away from the polls wouldn’t change the outcome of the election."
Now, if it's true, then Evangelicals in other parts of the country more than made up for their absence since more voted in 2012 than either in 2008 or 2004.
So, I would say that if any claims want to be made about "stay at home" Evangelical voters, only the Deep South and Atlantic Coast (southeast) appears to show this evidence -- but not Florida.
“And I have no idea what would be a viable plan to realistically fight our way out of it.”
There is a way. OutAlinsky Alinsky. The other way is to mobilize in the inner cities. There are foxes in the henhouse and our response is to wait outside and take pictures. We need to get in the henhouse and kill the foxes.
Last one.. Play at their level. We always take the moral high ground. In the end that may work. But the rats biggest fear is that we will play like the rats. As long as we play clean, they will play dirty.
I admire your ambitious research. I admit I commented based only on gut feeling and what I experienced as a result of what I saw happening in small circles of evangelicals whose activities were transparent. I stand corrected regarding the broader charge I made.
Second that suggestion.
If they voted.
They/We lose simply because of too few votes.
Ballot iniatives tend to energize the base, but even more so the opposition.
It is much easier to roll off the couch to oppose something than it is to support something.
Ryan/Palin 2016!
According to the exit polling, evangelicals actually voted in higher proportion in 2012 than they did in 2008.
Good post about Sarah.
The GOP did not want her and made that abundantly clear t her.
They made their choice.
Now we make ours.
Time for a new Conservative Party.
the GOP is bound the way of the Whigs. they have lost two consecutive elections in which the fate of the country in peril. They even lost MORE Senate seats this time.
We could survive a second Obama term had we gained the Senate.
If this was business, the leaders would all be fired.
The GOP-e has utterly failed.
time for a new party to enshrine Conservative principles and to protect our freedom.
Hmmm... comparing 2012 exit polling to 2008, and things get more confusing than ever. I had a passing thought that maybe it was the vaunted independents that didn’t turn out, but this appears to not be the case.
Rounded to the nearest percent, the D/R/I turnout in 2012 was 38/32/29; in 2008, it was 39/32/29, virtually identical. That means that the roughly 10% in turnout was essentially across the board.
Democrats: in 2008, only 89% of Democrats voted for Obama, with 10% voting for McCain. Obama did better among self-identified Democrats in 2012, winning 92-7.
Republicans: On the flip side, McCain had nearly the same 2008 margin as Obama, with 90% of Republicans as compared to Obama’s 9%. Romney performed better with Republicans in 2012, winning 93-6.
Independents: The biggest gain by Romney over McCain was in independents. In 2008, Obama won them 52-44, whereas Romney won them 50-45 in 2012.
Summary: Romney over-performed McCain, percentage-wise, in both Republicans and Independents, and under-performed in Democrats. The higher proportion of Democrats to Republicans or Independents offset some of the gains Romney made in the latter. The big question mark is why was turnout down pretty much across the board, and why so evenly? Nevertheless, the concern must be that despite Obama’s unpopularity, the national turnout was essentially unchanged from 2008.
With this election, the GOPe has well and truly lost their ‘nose-holding’ base ..... fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
They give you 79%, they increase their proportion of turn out, and you still want to make cracks at them?
Evangelicals are heroes, the only heroes in election after election, yet the liberal republicans and romneybots keep going after them.
bump
Sorry, if Sarah Palin couldn't jump into the race at the height of her bus tour/movie promotion/wal mart dvd sales/ Tea Party speeches / etc then she is not ready.
It was all just a solo promotion.
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