Posted on 11/06/2012 10:15:36 PM PST by Perdogg
What the hell happened? Can someone explain to me what happened? I live in NoVa. I saw no OFA ground game none. Nothing. I do not understand why there was a D+6 turn out. What happened to the Indies?
Thank you Jmouse007. This nation continues to shake a defiant fist at Almighty God, Who will not be mocked.
That right there was the problem. Anecdotal evidence. Many FReepers believed it would be a landslide against Obama based on what they could see and hear and feel. However, the main problem with that approach is that it is a closed loop. It's the same thing I said in 2008 - where, again, people were saying how they know no one who is voting for Obama.
Well, your system is a closed loop. Chances are your friends will have the same political alignment that you have (people tend to be your friends because if shared beliefs), your family will tend to believe the same, and even at your workplace most people you interact with will have similar views. A closed loop system that reinforces whatever it is one believes. If you like the Raiders chances are those you associate with will also prefer the Raiders. If you hate Subarus ....if you like going rafting on weekends ....if you thoroughly enjoy plinking at targets ....etc.
By basing anecdotal evidence as a veritable source of analyzing the general feel of the electorate a lot of people gave themselves the wrong perception.
I said this in 2008, but this election cycle I didn't say a word. Why? Because it would have made people who joined years after I did claim that I was a troll. I saw it happen to some people (although many totally deserved the admonishment). The US electorate is divided into three camps - 47% are Dem and will not vote any other way. 47% are Republican (oh, and there is a HUGE difference between a Republican and a Conservative) and will not vote any other way. It is the third group, the undecideds, who shift things. Now - how could someone be undecided at a time like this when the country is in peril? Because they are drowned in apathy and simply couldn't care. Which is why Benghazi would have meant nothing ....dead Americans, who are soldiers, don't register to them much (it would have to be a domestic terrorist attack to make them react beyond simply saying 'tsk tsk how sad' and go back to eating their morning bagel).
Anyways - we here at FR are in a closed loop system (so are the silly people at DU). What we think and believe is not aligned with the greater public, and for that matter our views as Conservatives is not aligned with that of the GOP (who are Republicans, and a 1960s Democrat is actually far more conservative than a modern Republican).
I believe that many will discover and re-discover the joy of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour. I mean really knowing HIM.
We may be looking at the greatest Revival we have ever witnessed to begin, and many will seek some local Church, get involved and prepared for the Lords return. I pray for that.
I have viewed many of these type of threads on FR tonight, and take delight and comfort form all. We definately need to have one going every day now. We cannot save America any longer, all we have left to look forward to is our Eternal Life.
Peace be with you.
Cain would have won. The dems were so afraid of him they sent Alred after him. Took him out.
Nothing much really changed between 2008 and 2012. Both elections the Dems ran Obama. In 2012 the Republicans ran a younger and better looking RINO that got a couple of more states then McCain. What else would you expect ?
The better question is why did the Republicans gain in the house but lose the Senate and Presidency. Obviously any fixing was targeted. They have proved the past 4 years they only need the Senate and Presidency. They have already compromised the Supreme Court. Ask yourself why Indiana made such a swing against Obama, but Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida did not ?
what did I expect..even though Romney was my next to last choice?
i thought basically tied polls would favor us given Dems were oversampled...or hoped so anyhow
as did some folks smarter than me
we were wrong ...over sampling for Dems was..well..accurate
they were 6%+ of the electorate tonight
down from i think about 3-4 points from 2008 but not enough eh?
the real sadness here for me is that aside from lightning strikes like 2010 when whites voted 62% GOP nationally
there is no hope really and that just goes downhill from here given our open door policy the past 40 years and low white birthrate
it’s not complicated..and we did it to ourselves
We just ran two back to back RINOS against Obama and both lost. They cannot win. Cain would have won.
The problem with that theory is you assume that Latinos and Blacks that vote liberal will never become conservatives. Some of them will given a good choice. Do you think Cain would have lost ? Heck, Perry could have done at least as good as Romney.
we lost the demographics
when I was a boy many years ago in the 70s folks said when blacks made money they would get conservative
other non whites too
wrong wrong wrong
they all vote against what they view as the dominant white and sometimes white Christian culture..
they think we did something to them and we owe them or maybe they just don't like us
but we are out time to change them now
in the case of latinos and orientals it's going the other way
and Jews...I mean...Obama was been openly hostile to Israel and bad for the economy and yet they only slipped 4 points
why...they fear or hate Christians views more than anything else..even Islam
we live in a culture of victims...anyone but white Christians
I'm southern white Christian...I could apologize for that all day long if I wanted...even here
this is how far the country has collapsed
lol...you think what you want...no stats whatsoever support your contentions
Florida is the state I would suspect fraud the most. Everything pointed to Romney winning there. Most reliable state polls gave him a safe lead.
Time to put your family flag above your country flag.
I attribute it to the Billion dollars Acorn Got from the Stimulus Package to run a 4 Year reelection Campaign. Thats right we Financed this debacle
Let me get this straight. Akin and Mourdock, two Tea Party candidates, can't even win in Missouri and Indiana, both of which went for Romney by 10% margins, but you think a conservative Akin- or Mourdock-type candidate could have won the presidency. While I wish that were true, I'm gonna bow to recent experience and say it's unlikely.
At the same time, I see your point. I think conservatives need a wake-up call about what is possible. We need to nominate a straight-up conservative ticket in 2016 and see where that takes us. If we re-run 2008's complete wipeout, it will lead the more intransigent among us to understand that you can't go home again.
Politics is the art of the possible. What is possible in red states is different from what is possible in swing states. If we require multiple shellackings at the polls to accept this basic principle, so be it.
Am I being defeatist? All I can say is that the Founding Fathers understood that democracy is a death spiral. Once the property requirement was removed from the franchise, ambitious politicians began buying indigent votes with other people's money. Reagan's failure to dismantle the Education Department one year into its existence shows that the death spiral doesn't stop even for the nimblest of politicians. Ultimately, we, the people, have pointed a pistol at our collective head. Every program the Dems gin up gets us in deeper. I just want to stand athwart history, yelling stop. Unfortunately, it just keeps hurtling into the abyss.
Well I agree, but disagree. I don’t think the electorate has changed that much and I suspect in 2014 it will be back to a D+2 as the GOP makes gains in the Senate and House again.. However our problem is a lack of ground game in battleground states and this election proved it. When Obama won in 2008 he did not pull up stakes and go home... he paid for those election offices and Dem operatives to stay in place and get ready for 2012. Until the GOP can put together a similar apparatus we will wind up with the same results.
Yancy
Lottie,Sorry to hear about your home. I’ve never experienced that, thank the Lord. I hope you have resources to recover.
As for our nation, I reckon one spanking didn’t straighten our attitude out. Sometimes it takes more than one sore bottom. Sometimes the kid just turns out to be a shiftless bum and never makes anything of himself. It’s a shame so many good folk are getting pulled down at the same time.
I'm afraid you are correct. I'm as pro-life as they come, and I hate to admit it, but I think the phony "war on women" really worked.
I was shocked to find so many women, including women who are very active in my church (I'm a Catholic) told me there was no way they would vote for someone who would take away a woman's right to choose.
More than shocked. I was sickened.
There may be another factor involved. I've been hearing that Obama got 2.5m fewer votes than Bush in 2004. I've also heard anecdotally from freepers that Romney had no ground game - Obama had paid staffers doing GOTV whereas Romney used volunteers exclusively. He should have hired Rove, the GOTV expert, as a consultant. I guess he's used to knowing everything. Sometimes being too smart is a handicap. Romney not only wanted to win, he wanted to win his way - via ad blitzes. If he had done it Rove's way, he would have won. One thing GWB had going for him was humility - not the kind where you say you are humble, but actually defer to the experts. (Of course, given GWB's sparse resume - while far superior to Gore's, Kerry's or Obama's - he had much to be humble about, relative to GHWB).
For, behold, the wicked bend the bow, They make ready their arrow upon the string To shoot in darkness at the upright in heart.
If the foundations are destroyed, What can the righteous do?"
The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD'S throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.
The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup.
For the LORD is righteous, He loves righteousness; The upright will behold His face.
--Psalm 11:1-7
Carl Rove was “working” for the Romnay campaign through his American Crossroads super PAC. The problem is all of these third party organizations are great at ramping up voter turnout in the final push toward the election, but they are no substitute for firmly entrenched party organizations who employee people to go out an meet local constituents and build a base within a precinct.
I live in an area of Phoenix with a changing demographic that is becoming more Hispanic and younger, but I have the same old white dude who only comes around once every two years to give me a party handout telling me how I should vote. If the party was smart, they would find a younger, more energetic, true believer who can articulate a conservative message and would be willing to go door to door and meet folks and talk with them about issues that affect them. They should be out there looking for new families that move into the neighborhood and preaching them the gospel of fiscal and social conservatism an how it can benefit their families.
Oh, and all future candidates should be able to pass a simple “foot in mouth” test... quit yapping if you cannot articulate your position on conservative social issues well.
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