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Nuclear warfare is not necessary to cause a breakdown of our society. You take a large city like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago — their water supply comes from hundreds of miles away and any interruption of that, or food, or power for any period of time you're going to have riots in the streets. Our society is so fragile, so dependent on the interworking of things to provide us with the goods and services that you don't need nuclear warfare to fragment us anymore than the Romans needed it to cause their eventual downfall. — Gene Roddenberry
1 posted on 10/21/2012 1:25:26 PM PDT by Kartographer
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Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 10/21/2012 1:28:00 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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3 posted on 10/21/2012 1:28:43 PM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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Does an EMP affect vehicles or engines from the 1960’s?
4 posted on 10/21/2012 1:31:09 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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Well, Mr. Roddenberry was wrong about Chicago’s water supply; it’s next door in Lake Michigan, all billions and billions (maybe more) gallons of it. The rest of his comments are probably correct though. If he means the computer systems that control the water, well that’s the same for everyone, as well as the utility systems, transport systems, etc. We’re all screwed, at least for a while.


5 posted on 10/21/2012 1:31:58 PM PDT by john drake
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Faraday cage.


6 posted on 10/21/2012 1:32:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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I saw this list AFTER I purchased my 12 acres on an entire finger of a plateau in Central, rural KY. It fits it almost precicely:


You don’t need to move to the unexplored wilderness in Alaska. You don’t need to move into the heart of the Arizona desert. You just need to relocate to an area that is more lightly populated than a big city. The area you select should meet the following minimum criteria:

It is not on a major freeway or interstate.
It is at least several hundred feet above sea level.
It is surrounded by farm land, dairy cows, and other typical farm livestock such as horses, pigs, sheep, goats, and chickens.
It has a history of good average rainfall (not too much rain or too little rain).
It has a reasonable supply of trees and forest timber land.
It has a few nearby manufacturing facilities of any size.
Its residents still have the right to own firearms to protect themselves.
It has short mild winters.


And our chickens lays 5 eggs a day, and two thirds of them are too young to lay.

Thing is, I ask myself what the day after a Romney victory would look like, and I don’t like the answer. It would probably not be any better. But to be clear, that is juxtaposed against things tanking fast if Obama had won re-election.

I don’t believe there is a human solution to our dilemma, and it is worldwide. It’s gonna leave a mark. A worse mark than WWII left.

EMP might be part of it, but I have an early 60’s tractor and bicycles. We’ll get by, albeit challenging. And that is assuming we don’t have to defend it against others. I don’t expect a “road warrior” or “The Road” scenario, but I think it will get pretty bad, regardless of who wins the election.


10 posted on 10/21/2012 1:36:20 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Hate to say it, but a lot of this information is bogus too.

I am have been involved with EMP shielding for air force electronics and navy ships.

You have to have a ferrous metal and you have to have it completely surrounded by the Ferrous Metal.

The only item in this article that may work with some modification is the galvanized steel garbage can.

Faraday Cages block electromagnetic radiation, but that isn’t the only energy delivered by an EMP. You have to incorporate a Faraday Cage but other concepts as well.

The trick to EMP is grounding the ferrous metal and set up the metal to bend the magnetic waves around the objects you are trying to protect.

You can’t block it, you can only bend it.


13 posted on 10/21/2012 1:57:44 PM PDT by dila813
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Heck, you could take away their cable and smart phones and riots would occur.


15 posted on 10/21/2012 2:01:40 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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HEMP attack?


18 posted on 10/21/2012 2:17:55 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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EMP is survivable, but you need to start preparing for it now.

So, since we don't know WHEN an EMP might occur, are we supposed to wrap all of our electronics in grounded garbage cans now, and keep them there until it happens? Seriously?

19 posted on 10/21/2012 2:20:30 PM PDT by aimhigh
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A few cases of foil wrap from Sams Club won’t work?


21 posted on 10/21/2012 2:21:22 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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EMP/HERF/Shock Pulse Generators
http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm

This EMP Cannon Stops Cars Almost Instantly
http://gizmodo.com/5454295/this-emp-cannon-stops-cars-almost-instantly


22 posted on 10/21/2012 2:29:39 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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My college physics is decades behind me now, but the EMP field will decrease by either the square or cube of the distance which makes me wonder just what the effective range of an EMP weapon would be, especially if it were a low sophistication fission weapon rather than a russian or chinese fusion weapon.

I know that the pulse would take out large transmission lines but I wonder what the effect would be on something not plugged into the grid sitting hundreds of miles away from the detonation.


28 posted on 10/21/2012 2:49:53 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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This article and thread are full of incredible amounts of misinformation. PA Engineer is closest to truth, in my opinion as an engineer in the electric utility business, formerly a satellite engineer who designed components that had to deal with a near-direct hit from nuclear-explosion gamma rays.

Here's the thing: there are a whole range of frequencies of geomagnetically-induced currents that can be produced from a single nuclear explosion in the ionosphere, but MOST of them are very low and important to power distribution systems, not individual pieces of electronics. This does NOT have much to do with the yield of the bomb in kilotons; it has much more to do with the tuning of the gamma ray energies, which in turn produce Compton electrons, which flow to produce the EMP itself. It also somewhat varies with the explosion altitude, and the ionozation level of the atmosphere (therefore, the time of day, and solar activity). Mostly, we don't know. But we can take examples like Starfish Prime test and the Russians' Khazakh test, to look at what would happen.

In my opinion, FAR TOO MUCH emphasis is put on what an EMP would do to individual electronic devices or vehicles. I guarantee you: there will be people whose pacemakers are not affected by the EMP. There will be 2000 and newer cars that will still be running after an EMP. This will be determined by the particular field strength in Volts per Meter, and the frequencies making up the pulse, in that particular area. There will be peaks and there will be troughs, determined by landscape, urban structuresm, etc. There will be direct line of sight, there will be reflections, and there will be shadows.

One thing that is for CERTAIN, though, are the low-frequency geomagnetic currents, and that long-distance power lines CANNOT hide from them. There is no shielding when the entire EARTH conducts them. In the Russians' Khazakh nuclear test (#184), a 1000-mile-long underground power line was completely fused. And it was 600 km from the point under ground zero.

So, in summary, in a significant EMP attack, our power grid is going DOWN, permanently. Millions will die just from that. But your electronics may work just fine.

31 posted on 10/21/2012 3:01:11 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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Old microwaves are farraday shields, can pick them up real cheap. got my radios, batteries and other electronics in them for lt storage.


35 posted on 10/21/2012 3:31:46 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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So I guess that lucky fellow that Max his credit cards to by that tricked out AR 15, 10K of ammo, food and water for 2 years wins?


36 posted on 10/21/2012 3:50:55 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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So no working servers, no hard drives. Does that mean all the money I owe is gone? We all start at zero?


37 posted on 10/21/2012 3:56:30 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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I guess that my monthly donation to freerepublic will stop.

No internet.

No fuel, memo to keep that bike.

Note to those pesky rabbits in my garden, be nervous.

Note to my chickens, need more eggs.

Note to me, buy a rooster, will need more fertile eggs.

Note to finish that hand pump well...

Note to me to buy a bunch of antibotics from the feed and grain store. My goats and maybe me might need them.

39 posted on 10/21/2012 4:06:12 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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I’m just finishing “Adrian’s War,” the sequel to “A Distant Eden.” I recommend both books, just for the illustrations of what is probable in the event of a HEMP. Both books are available for kindles.


41 posted on 10/21/2012 4:15:38 PM PDT by redhead (Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number $16,000,000,000,000)
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Unfortunately, I am the idiot that alerted the leadership to this problem and expected them to keep it quite. It was part of my response to “but the Chinese only have 13 missiles”. I told them it only takes one to blackmail us into giving up Taiwan and South Korea. The longest pole in the tent is a fundamental part of our electrical grid that is only made in France and it usually takes 6 months to get just one. That is because it almost never fails. The bad news is that it doesn’t matter what you save. Everybody else is off the air. The good news is that shit would poor in from around the world in days. Think very simple diesel engines for transport and power. If I were to put anything in a Faraday cage, it would be a back up generator to light the night.


42 posted on 10/21/2012 4:29:59 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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