Posted on 10/15/2012 6:56:41 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
“...spending 7 yrs in Uncle Sams Yacht Club, I can no longer stomach the thought of having to eat canned food...”
None of these three people were in the military so have no reason for an aversion to canned food except in their minds. Most of the Walton food was canned by them straight out of the fields - it has yet to be cooked and some of it is actual powder since that is the only way to have that product. I do have grocery stored canned food, also.
Fresh food is excellent but if it is not available, canned grocery store food will keep you alive. My mother canned most of her life, and we ate that food every winter. This attitude, “I won’t eat anything out of a can”, is ridiculous. If an emergency happens and they refuse canned food, even the Walton food, they can go die.
As others point out, the bugs get in your stored food because the eggs or larvae are already in the food when you store it.
After a few pantry weevil investations we have resorted to the freeze treatment.
In fact, we bought an inexpensive older, used freezer primarily for this purpose.
Other than canned foods, foods that just can’t be frozen or foods we will eat almost immediately, we now pass every food product through the freezer. That includes grains, rice, pasta, flour, cake mixes, prepared dressings, dry soups, yeast, seasonings, etc.
When the food comes in, it goes in the freezer and stays there until we need the room for the next batch. But we make sure foods stay in for sufficient time - usually at least a week. Some foods we are using, like an open bag of flour or rice, are stored there until they are used up.
So far it seems to work.
100 year old canned food found safe to eat
"The steamboat Bertrand was heavily laden with provisions when it set out on the Missouri River in 1865, destined for the gold mining camps in Fort Benton, Montana. The boat snagged and swamped under the weight, sinking to the bottom of the river. It was found a century later, under 30 feet of silt a little north of Omaha, Neb.
Among the canned food items retrieved from the Bertrand in 1968 were brandied peaches, oysters, plum tomatoes, honey, and mixed vegetables. In 1974, chemists at the National Food Processors Association (NFPA) analyzed the products for bacterial contamination and nutrient value. Although the food had lost its fresh smell and appearance, the NFPA chemists detected no microbial growth and determined that the foods were as safe to eat as they had been when canned more than 100 years earlier.
The nutrient values varied depending upon the product and nutrient. NFPA chemists Janet Dudek and Edgar Elkins report that significant amounts of vitamins C and A were lost. But protein levels remained high, and all calcium values "were comparable to today's products."
NFPA chemists also analyzed a 40-year-old can of corn found in the basement of a home in California. Again, the canning process had kept the corn safe from contaminants and from much nutrient loss. In addition, Dudek says, the kernels looked and smelled like recently canned corn.
The canning process is a product of the Napoleonic wars. Malnutrition was rampant among the 18th century French armed forces. As Napoleon prepared for his Russian campaign, he searched for a new and better means of preserving food for his troops and offered a prize of 12,000 francs to anyone who could find one. Nicolas Appert, a Parisian candy maker, was awarded the prize in 1809.
Although the causes of food spoilage were unknown at the time, Appert was an astute experimenter and observer. For instance, after noting that storing wine in airtight bottles kept it from spoiling, he filled widemouth glass bottles with food, carefully corked them, and heated them in boiling water.
The durable tin can--and the use of pottery and other metals--followed shortly afterwards, a notion of Englishman Peter Durand. Soon, these "tinned" foods were used to feed the British army and navy.
The canned food principle that won Nicolas Appert his prize of 12,000 francs has endured over the years. What might surprise Appert, however, is how his discovery is making food shopping and storing easier for the 20th century consumer.
Those who order coffee at fast food restaurants now also are served canned half-and-half, which has been transported and stored without concern about refrigeration. Hikers can take flexible pouches of canned food on backpacking trips without having to worry about saving water to reconstitute freeze-dried meals. And, in this society of microwave owners, Americans who don't have time to prepare a well-balanced meal can pick up a plastic container filled with a canned, nutritious dinner."
From: The Canning Process: Old Preservation Technique Goes Modern by Dale Blumentha in FDA Consumer magazine, Sept 1990
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If letters are used, A=Jan. and L=Dec., unless otherwise noted.
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Bush Brothers & Company
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Chiquita Processed Foods
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Furman Foods
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Hirzel Canning
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Hormel Foods Corporation
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Maple Leaf Consumer Foods
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Mid-Atlantic Foods
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Pillsbury/Green Giant and Progresso
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Seneca Foods
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Stagg Chili
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“Too bad prescriptions cant be stockpiled”
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Heat is even worse. For every 10 degrees over 70 F, food degrades quite a bit. It’s easier to protect food from pests than it is from heat.
I used to buy those little Jiffy brand corn bread mixes at 3 for a buck. One time I opened the sealed wax paper bag and found a bunch of tiny worms crawing around. I never could eat the stuff again.
Those are just common pantry moth worms. The moth lays the eggs on a surface and when they hatch the larvae can chew through the surface, whether it is wax paper, cardboard or plastic. The cornbread mix had probably been on the shelf a while in warm weather and a moth laid eggs on it, either at the store or at the house. The other boxes may have been newer or else there was only one moth loose in the place.
You can often see the very fine “sawdust” such moth larvae make at the store if you inspect bags of beans or pasta, esp. in the summer, and if they have a pet food aisle with bird seed the sunflower seed is the main culprit.
They are actually quite edible- pure protein, no noticeable flavor, and pale, but wiggly stuff in the food is disconcerting and you would never want to serve it to guests. just mix it up and cook it and give it to your dog- he will love it and you won’t waste it.
If you are squeamish about eating insects, consider that if you have ever eaten anything with red food coloring, such a soft drinks, there’s a good chance you’ve been eating the extract made from cochineal beetles. Recall the red #? listed on the label, I forget which number indicates the beetle juice.
Have the same thoughts about some of my own kin-folks , they live off mcdonalds chicken nuggets and no fresh vegetables out of the garden . They're weird at times...
It appears schools can't be trusted to explain food as the govn. is trying to force kids to eat what the govn. wants them to eat.
I'm talking about training to know which food chemicals do what in the body. What chemicals foods have in them and how they help the body to function.
I guess that will never happen.
Rats, the picture didn’t go through. It was of a staircase with drawers in each stair.
Maybe I should have stated that these idiots are in the 12 to 40 year old age group. kids and grand-kids.....
If TSHTF, both yours and mine will be at our door wanting food. If they bitch about the food, they can leave right then. I won't be in any mood to listen to complaining.
>>After a few pantry weevil infestations we have resorted to the freeze treatment.
For anyone dealing with an infestation, I can recommend the pheromone traps from Do Your Own Pest Control. They work great.
http://store.doyourownpestcontrol.com/propest-pheronet-trap-pantry-pest
I’ve been wondering about going the other way from pasta to bread.
Can pasta be ground fine enough so that somebody could add water and yeast, thus making dough, bake it and get bread?
I’m big on storing pasta because it’s dry, neither too acidic or basic, it can be cooked in a few minutes, and can be eaten in a wide variety of recipes.
BTW, a 5 gallon plastic bucket will hold 10 pounds of egg noodles. I have been concentrating on 5 gallon storage lately.
I would think if you have a long term need, the Doc would be willing to give more. In my case ninety days worth are prescribed, with three refills, which is nine months worth, and with the date for reorder or refill giving probably 30 days leeway you can store ahead over time. I have not done so, but it has certainly crossed my mind.
Probably best to talk with a local pharmacist on the storage properties of the various drugs prescribed, and how best to maintain their potency in a storage situation.
trust me, when the time is right i will be eating it like its gramma’s roast beaf and have plenty of it stocked. I gained 40 pounds in my 1st 3 years in the Navy. Its kind of like drinking good beer versus cheep beer, I will drink the Summit before the Schlitz.
I also find a seeming lack of dried or age cured meats and cheeses. I suppose you would need more room to store them, but in the right conditions they can store indefinately and give the consumer not only alot of useable calories but a tasty treat.
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