can you ask him what brand they use???
Posted on 09/30/2012 1:17:31 PM PDT by Blueflag
You really have a recoil issue with an AR in .223?
Reducing cyclic rates on a Class III device does have merit wrt accuracy (which is what the devices you linked to are designed to do, while simultaneously lengthening the recoil impulse) - but in a semi-automatic what’s the point?
If recoil is really causing an accuracy issue when shooting an AR - I’d suggest in order of expense: a directional muzzle brake on your existing bbl.; a smaller caliber upper i.e. a .22LR upper from a reliable manufacturer, lastly an HBAR 20” upper in .223.
It’s your money - spend it how you wish.
can you ask him what brand they use???
Never owned an AR-15 but was asked to come up with a hydraulic buffer system for one when I worked at a company that was part of parent corporation that owned Colt at the time. The stock buffer is filled with metal disks and rubber disks stacked separately that act as a dead blow hammer when the bolt is cycled. On a recoil or return, the weights pancake to slow the rebound action of the bolt. This slows the rate of fire. The idea that I worked was to substitute a hydraulic shock absorber unit for the weighted buffer. This was to reduce the bounce affect of the bolt hitting the end of travel which was the main cause of the shaking the rifle off target. I only test fired one once with the new design versus the stock design in single action mode since they only let us have one civilian model to play with. There was a slight reduction in the cycling bounce but I think it would had more pronounce affect if the rifle had the three round burst capability. Made up a half dozen units which were sent off for Colt to test. We heard no formal results, just a thanks-but-no-thanks comment back stating that it didn’t offer that much improvement with the three round burst. A couple of years later (after the parent corporation had sold Colt off), I heard they resurrected the idea and incorporated it in the rifles. The rifle buffer was long enough to incorporate a hydraulic mechanism but the carbine buffer is too short for all the stuff that needed to go in. Unless you are going full auto or three round burst, such a device would not offer any advantage in a civilian AR model IMHO.
BS on modifying issued weapons. If you want a medium machine gun, have one issued. The M4 is a pop gun, always has been, always will be.
Yes, but Burst Fire or Full Auto with a M4 is a little different matter.
No, not much - but it has resulted in a lot of kids, though.
I belive what your friend was referring to is a hydrauluc buffer assembly. It will improve you rifle in too many areas to list here. Checkout the Enidine AR-Restor Hydraulic Carbine Buffer at http://www.buffertech.com/AR-Restor-Hydraulic-Recoil-Carbine-Buffer-P178.aspx
GI’s and Jarheads (Semper Fi!- no insult intended) are changing to these as fast as they can get their hands on them. The key word to these units is weapons reliability. Not to mention, actual reduced recoil, smoother operation, increased accuracy in fully auto, etc., etc.
These are not a gimmick and really do...do what they say. It will cost you about $89.00 which is cheapo for the improvement you get. Most of the improvement is firing; using one of the buffers in a scoped, fully auto version. Best though is Hundreds of percent improvement in reliability. That’s what the pro’s want.
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My friend is a professional war fighter.
I am not.
HE says the recoil reduction is worth it.
He and his teams use pretty much every rifle pistol and automatic in the armory. Every week. I’ll respect your opinions but go with his.
Perhaps you are more manly than he and i are. So be it.
Reduce recoil on an AR??? Maybe bulk up?
FWIW, I have never considered the recoil from a 5.56 AR 15 of M-16 to particularly harsh.
The hydraulic buffers do not reduce the total felt recoil, but they do spread the recoil impulse over a longer period of time which does make the recoil more managanfable.
If you really want to reduce recoil there are a number of good muzzle brake/ compensates on the market that do a good job of reducing recoil, reducing muzzle rise and also acting as a flash hider.
Probably the best of these in current use is the Primary Weapons Systems PWS FSC 556.
The FSC 556 combined with the hydraulic buffer should make the recoil very minimal and easy to manage and the buffer should reduce the annoying “sprang” noise a spring buffer makes.
Good luck with your AR
“GI’s and Jarheads (Semper Fi!- no insult intended) are changing to these as fast as they can get their hands on them. The key word to these units is weapons reliability. “
This is the first I’ve heard of it. Got any links to official sources?
Me too. Freepers have the best gun advice.
I’d like to see the tech data that validates this claim from your link:
“AR-Restors greatly reduce felt recoil and improve accuracy.”
Dang it...just the tech data that validates the accuracy improvement.
Hydraulic buffers for the short barrel M-4 carbine are also useful to deal with some of the more destructive aspects of the gas system operation for that particular design.
I regularly shoot an 11.5 inch with HBAR barrel, 5.56, using a holo sight. The gun has a CMMG piston kit and I had to take half a coil out of the buffer spring to compensate for the reduced dwell time, but recoil is almost non-existant without a buffer tube recoil piston, so I doubt I would add one.
FWIW a friends son is a sgt in the 82nd. He buys the optics he wants. His parents bought him the best body armour. Etc etc. The Army issues the basics and friends an family fill it out.
Rather get the hi-point 9mm carbine. Much larger round with less kick, plentiful ammo, etc. And it’s half the price. Keep in mind German WW2 rifles were 7 and 8mm.
I doubt it. More likely it’s a perception thing. I’m a recoil junkie so recoil doesn’t bother me much at all and I can lay in decently accurate full auto fire with the M4 series. Cut the recoil by 15% and it would allow me to really put a hurting on the enemy. Cut it by 90% and most people could do exactly the same thing without trying.
I’m leaning towards him having a lot of rounds under his belt making the touch of a little less felt recoil making a huge difference.
Looking at Brownells, the devices are like a hundred bucks. A bit pricey to try one just because you see it at the gun store and are curious. However, the sense of a risky-purchase drops if you have a friend who recommends it based on their personal experience.
So get one and try it and post a follow-up.
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