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Christ is Pissed, Again (Is “Piss Christ” a profoundly theological work of art?)
Religious Dispatches ^ | 09/27/2012 | By HOLLIS PHELPS

Posted on 09/27/2012 8:30:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 09/27/2012 8:30:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama and Hillary will be paying $70,000 to air apology commercials in the New York area.


2 posted on 09/27/2012 8:34:37 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

I am waiting for the Piss Mohammad-—and the Piss Buddha—


3 posted on 09/27/2012 8:45:01 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: TigerClaws

I have an idea for an art project. A public art display.

Wouldn’t it be artistic to visit the Edward Tyler Nahem Gallery in Manhattan and urinate on the floor of the art gallery.

Perhaps with many other people, as a flash mob scene.


4 posted on 09/27/2012 8:46:25 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: TigerClaws

I have an idea for an art project. A public art display.

Wouldn’t it be artistic to visit the Edward Tyler Nahem Gallery in Manhattan and urinate on the floor of the art gallery.

Perhaps with many other people, as a flash mob scene.


5 posted on 09/27/2012 8:46:35 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Serrano himself has claimed that the photograph should be taken as criticism of the “billion-dollar Christ-for-profit industry”...

I take it as a celebration of the "billion-dollar defame-Christ-for-profit" industry.

6 posted on 09/27/2012 8:46:45 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Brilliant.


7 posted on 09/27/2012 8:47:59 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: SeekAndFind

AFK for a bit. Have to find an embassy to storm.


8 posted on 09/27/2012 8:49:07 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Well isn’t this interesting. You can join the museum’s mailing list.

http://www.edwardtylernahemfineart.com/gallery/

Nice way to deliver a message in the form field boxes on their sign up form.

Your Name:
UR Disgusting

Email Address:
pissonthis@hateondisplay.com


9 posted on 09/27/2012 8:53:01 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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I never understand the liberal criteria for viewing issues.

In the case of Piss Christ, liberals tell us we have to be tolerant ,etc. and that it doesn’t matter if Christians are deeply offended. We’re lectured about freedom of speech and other issues if Christians find offense at Piss Christ.

But in the case of the stupid Mohammed video or Mohammed comics, we’re supposed to bend over backwards to show that we have deep respect and reverence for the beliefs of another religion. We’re supposed to bend over backwards to avoid offending adherents of a certain religion. In such cases, issues of freedom of speech are said not to matter. It’s all about avoiding offending someone’s religious beliefs.

So which is it liberals? Are we permitted virtually unlimited freedom of speech so that we can offend religion, or not?? Are we supposed to avoid offending religion, or not? What are the criteria????


10 posted on 09/27/2012 8:58:19 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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There may be a glitch in the urinating on the museum floor as art idea. Their website says that are not presently accepting artists submissions.

If I lived close enough to this museum I’d deliver the art anyhow.

Perhaps as a charitable contribution to aspiring artists we could provide a grant to cover the cost of the art project.

What would the website name be...

pissontheflooroftheEdwardTylerNahemFineArtMuseum.com


11 posted on 09/27/2012 8:59:41 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: randog
You are certainly free to take it as the celebration you mention but by doing so you clearly ignore the stated intent of the artist. When you substitute the artists intent for a manufactured one you choose to be offended.

Sister Wendy Beckett, a world famed art critic and a Carmelite nun, gave the work a fantastic and thought provoking critique that you might look up.

12 posted on 09/27/2012 9:01:46 PM PDT by texanred
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To: SeekAndFind
It is vile, and even the attempt at an explanation is absurd.

That said, look at it artistically: he took a crucifix and pi**ed on it in a jar. Do I have that right? Where is the artistic ability behind the creator of the “artwork” being shown? That he can aim straight?

What if it was a bar of soap in a jar he pi**ed in? Artistic? Artistically pleasing? Intellectually stimulating? No, a stupid idea. He only got any attention because all of the non religious nut jobs gave him money from the NEA to denigrate Christianity. And how much money did he need to create this “genius” work? $5? He would have failed a community college art class with this abomination.

13 posted on 09/27/2012 9:11:04 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Most leftists are using a dangerously out of date worldview that says that one can engage in more risky communications with insiders than outsiders.

My neighbor that I've enjoyed good relations with for 10 years makes French jokes and I make Mormon jokes. He would never do so in French Canada and I would never do so at a gathering of Mormons that I was unfamiliar with. Neither of us has the level of familiarity with these strangers that would permit that.

However, there's also a sense that one should bend over backwards to avoid offending strangers - particularly in high profile international situations.

All of this ignores the reality of instant communication and almost costless replication of information. The stranger is no longer safely geographically far away. They are, as it were, staring in our window and making judgments about now tidy we keep our homes.

14 posted on 09/27/2012 9:13:21 PM PDT by texanred
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To: SeekAndFind

this is not newsworthy


15 posted on 09/27/2012 9:16:36 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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To: texanred
The "artist" (self so-called) can babble all he likes.

Excrement is excrement.


16 posted on 09/27/2012 9:23:55 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: texanred

thoughtful remarks on your part. uncommon these days. are you french? is your neighbior mormon? anyway, civility is a good thing. pray for it! thanks. i happen to be of german descent and a deserving recipient of kraut jokes. oh well. this life is not all there is. the Christ, whom some folks would do more than pee on, lives.


17 posted on 09/27/2012 9:24:35 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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To: MacMattico

think of this “artist” as a servile creature. he is not free. you are. let him go. not worth getting wee-weed up over. whatever is pure, whaterever is good. think on these things. fight the good fight. you know that.


18 posted on 09/27/2012 9:28:58 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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19 posted on 09/27/2012 9:33:53 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: SeekAndFind

There is - I think - a point to be made here. Piss Christ is not necessarily a profound theological work, but it can be used to illustrate a point that did not enter into the artist’s mind when he was making it.

To my chagrin, the thought I am about to present is not necessarily mine originally, so I will post the article from which I am taking this: http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/the-mocking-of-muhammad-and-condemning-of-christ

So many people look at their religion and see it as an unassailable monolith which has to be defended. That somehow blowing up cartoonists and buses or ramming planes into buildings is a defense of an omnipotent God.

Instead God has chosen Christ as an object of great humility. He is brought before the authorities and accused and convicted of a crime of which he is innocent. He is beaten, and spit upon and he is sentenced to death. It only follows that the “intellectuals” of our world would also see fit to defile his name, but Christ - like a sheep before its shearers - is silent. He is not haughty or proud. He is a sacrifice and the sins of us all are placed upon him and he is led up the mountain to die a humiliating death for our sins.

So when this world comes against us and persecutes us and accuses us of all sorts of evil because of him (Matt 5:11), we are in fact blessed for suffering with him. As he was a sacrifice, so we are called to take up our crosses and follow him and die a humiliating death to ourselves. (Matt 16:24)

The wisdom of this world seeks honor, but something that is different about Christianity is the emphasis on humility. This was so important that Paul wrote in his letter to the Galatians (2:20-21):

“I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

The truth is that seeking honor, or seeking salvation through works is ultimately fruitless. No amount of religiosity, martyrdom, piety, and generosity can save. The only thing that saves is the grace of God. We do not gain salvation by works, but it is the free gift to all who believe.


20 posted on 09/27/2012 9:44:51 PM PDT by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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