Miss Statement: http://www.ndstockmen.org/?id=273
Posted on 08/24/2012 5:25:48 PM PDT by DallasBiff
Who is responsible for Todd Akin's words on abortion, Todd Akin or the GOPe?
Miss Statement: http://www.ndstockmen.org/?id=273
Romney's GOPe acolytes here (exempting only JimRob as having supported Romney very lately despite JimRob's sterling reputation and track record) and those who play surrender monkeys to the GOPe while claiming to despise them, are fond of telling us that it will be either Romney or Obozo who will be elected this fall.
Is the shoe now on the other foot? As things stand, it will be either Akin or Comrade McCaskill who will be sworn in as Missouri's US Senator in January. Are you part of a squad of "conservative" political assassins who spend more time attacking our wounded than the leaders of the enemy? Or are you ready to accept the results of the Missouri primary?
Oh, and anyone with ears to hear KNOWS that Akin meant "forcible" rape when he said "legitimate" rape. You are just echoing the usual gang of hysterical looneytunes at NARAL and NOW. Not company I would care to keep. This is one instance where Sarah Palin is making an error in judgment. No one is perfect.
I favored Sarah Steelman in the primary but the other two candidates (Akin and Brunner) were also quite acceptable. Would that we had enjoyed such a field to choose from for the POTUS nomination and that Romney had not run or spent oceans of corrupt money buying the nomination.
And then, Romney, of all people, thinks Akin should step down??? Romney should step down.
He and his 6th grade educated supporters here are convinced he’s right
It’s too late for him to withdraw, and it isn’t useful if he does IMO.
Giving ground to the enemy is a fatal move.
Allowing their tactic to succeed when you can just as easily stuff it is a fatal mistake.
I don’t believe he is too arrogant, there is no need for him to withdraw based upon his comments.
They simply do not rise to the level of for a person out of his lifelong career, nor are they offensive enough to do the same.
Abortion does not matter a damn hill of beans in this election. It is not going to be overturned ever.
What matters in this election is the fact that our government is COMMUNIST, and we need conservative patriots to defeat them.
In my eyes, his withdrawing over what hes aid would shame the GOP for its stunning, unbelievable weakness.
Weakness provokes the enemy.
Blood in the water makes piranah swarm.
People are going to have to get over this, or the enemy wins, and it is just as simple as that.
I mentioned you at #62 and should have pinged you. Sorry.
I hope none of Akins supporters try to shoot Romney the abortionist
i don’t know what is worse . Akin the idiotic characature of the worst negative stereotype of pro life Republicans
or his supporters who defend his original idiocy.
I guess the negative hollywood stereotypes of the extreme lifers have a little basis in facts.
It is NOT too late for Akin to withdraw. He can still be taken off the ballot as late as Sept. 25th with a court order.
IF he is genuinely conservative and stays in, I sincerely hope that you are right and he does win. IF he does not blunder again maybe he has a chance.
However, the fact that McCaskill is barely able to contain her glee that she got him elected does not make me optimistic. Also, I am suspicious that he self-destructed so soon after getting the nomination.
I am not the least concerned about prolonging Akin’s lifelong career. I am concerned about the destruction of our country.
All but one of the articles you link to concern stress over time (animals in zoos, etc.), and the one article about acute stress merely says that acute stress ‘can’ have an affect. That’s a far cry from what Akin said, and there is research out there that indicates that approximately 5 percent of rapes result in pregnancy.
Moreover, the dumbest thing about what Akin said is that it was completely unnecessary. Abortion is abortion, regardless of how the baby was conceived. Whether or not there should be a rape exception does not depend on how often rape results in pregnancy.
“Real Conservatives and the Pro-Life supporters are supporting Akin fully. Not just in Missouri, but around the nation.”
Will they still support him when he is unemployed in January?
Then I suggest you take what steps you can take to ensure that it does not get destroyed.
The pieces have been set on the board, and there’s no changing them. You may not like your rook, but that’s the only rook your getting, so use it.
This is a war, and in war, sometimes you have to do things that youdo not want to do.
No, it's not. I bet you haven't even seen/heard the video/audio of his comments.
Like 90% of the Hysterics Against Akin crowd.
Apparently you did not understand that it is NOT too late until after 25th of Sept.
You are doing EXACTLY what the Dems want you to do.
This is an unnecessary distraction for the country and only serves to strengthen the Dems. They will use it as a virtual club to beat every conservative candidate over the head.
If you don’t think they will, you are naive.
Yes, it is. Akin said:
“It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”
Yes, I know the context, and I know that he went on to say that, in any event, he doesn’t support abortion in the case of rape. That’s all well and good. But, the point is that the article you posted (which states that acute stress ‘can’ have an impact on conception) is a far cry from what Akin said. Akin was saying not only that the acute stress can have an impact on conception (that “the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down), but also that conception as a result of rape is “really rare.” That goes well beyond the mere possiblity suggested by the article you posted.
“It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”
...the point is that the article you posted (which states that acute stress ‘can’ have an impact on conception)...
Those two statements have zero substantive conflict and are nearly identical in content. Akin made no, let me repeat that, NO absolute statement, of any kind, that would indicate to any rational person that he meant that all rapes trigger a stress response in the reproductive system.
I shouldt respond to your unnecessary insult, but here goes — I didn’t say the two statements were in conflict, or in any way inconsistent. Nor did I say that Akin said anything absolutely. All I said is that what Akin said (that pregnancies resulting from rape are ‘really rare’) goes beyond the article you posted (that acute trauma ‘can’ have an unspecified impact).
In any event, what Akin said was entirely unnecessary. You can defend a no-rape-exception policy without reference to how often rape results in pregnancy (and, in fact, the point is irrelevant - abortion is wrong, whether it’s one abortion or ten thousand).
An absolutely true statement.
...(that acute trauma ‘can’ have an unspecified impact).
Also a true statement and basic common sense.
In any event, what Akin said was entirely unnecessary. You can defend a no-rape-exception policy without reference to how often rape results in pregnancy (and, in fact, the point is irrelevant - abortion is wrong, whether it’s one abortion or ten thousand).
So what? Hardly a reason to disqualify him. Everyone makes a gaffe now and then. The bottom line is he is the GOP candidate. Either he gets support to defeat McCaskill or the GOP continues to deny him money and threaten consultants who might work for him thus ensuring McCaskill keeps the seat. That is the reality.
That is a true statement regardless of whether the article I linked discusses it or not. PP says it's true. Gov statistics say it's true. Statistical medical studies say it's true.
In case anyone wonders what the PCA reference means, here are two posts on what it means that Akin is a conservative, a graduate of Covenant Theological Seminary, and an elder in the Presbyterian Church in America:
Todd Akin is a PCA member and Covenant Seminary graduate
(Vanity)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2921258/posts
Being a Pastor and Speaking Out in Today’s Culture
By Dr. Michael Milton, Chancellor, Reformed Theological Seminary
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2922254/posts
Personally, I'm a member of an even more conservative denomination, the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church. The PCA is too broadly evangelical for me, but I'm the first one to say that both of our denominations have their problems.
To prove that Democrats can get some things right, go read Senator Webb's work on the Scots-Irish role on the settlement of the American frontier. One could make a good argument that Scottish blood makes Old School Presbyterians a pretty ornery bunch, and that's Webb's view. I personally think it has much more to do with a very high view of the role of the Old Testament that is shared by Calvinists whether they're Scots Presbyterians, English Puritans, Dutch Reformed, Swiss Reformed, Hungarian Reformed, Korean Presbyterians, or any of the other ethnic groups which have come to have large percentages of Calvinists either now or at some point in their history.
Too bad the Missouri Presbytery isn't one of the hard-core conservative presbyteries in the PCA. Akin might generate a lot of visitors to PCA churches when people realize the PCA is the Presbyterian equivalent of the Southern Baptist Convention -- a strongly conservative evangelical denomination that generally sticks to its guns about core beliefs. If he wins this election, I hope the PCA asks him to lead a seminar on Christian involvement in politics at the 2013 General Assembly, with all the media attention that will generate. Given the nonsense being done by the wacko liberals in the PC(USA), conservative Calvinists need some publicity, and Akin has overnight become the best-known Reformed political figure in the United States. Now we just need to be known for not having baked feet for breakfast.
Fortunately most Calvinists are far more articulate than Akin was last weekend.
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