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California says it can't reduce inmate total
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 18, 2012 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 08/19/2012 12:55:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

California officials, under U.S. Supreme Court orders to lower the population of its crowded prisons by 33,000 to bring a shoddy health care system up to constitutional standards, say they can't comply and shouldn't have to.

In a filing late Friday with a three-judge federal panel in San Francisco, the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said it can provide adequate medical care at higher population levels - about 6,000 higher - than the Supreme Court required in its May 2011 ruling.

Department officials rejected the three-judge court's suggestion that the state could comply with the population standards by releasing some prisoners early without endangering the public. Those possibilities would include granting inmates greater sentence reductions for good behavior and expanding Gov. Jerry Brown's realignment program, which has moved low-level felons from prisons to county jails.

"The Supreme Court did not authorize the early release of prisoners," state lawyers told the court. Continued enforcement of the requirement to reduce the inmate population to 112,000 by next June, they argued, "will come at a significant, and legally unnecessary, cost to the state" and also "interferes with the state's democratic processes."

......Last year, the Supreme Court upheld the panel's conclusion that overcrowding in a prison system that held almost twice its designed capacity was the main cause of poor health care. The court ordered the population lowered to 137.5 percent of capacity by June 2013.

......If that target stands, state lawyers said, California's only recourse would be to cancel plans to return about 5,000 inmates from prisons in other states, where they have been temporarily transferred. That would help lower the population to 112,000 by December 2013, they said, at a cost of more than $300 million to the state, while keeping the inmates separated from their families.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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To: Vendome

So just tell me, how many illegal aliens?


21 posted on 08/19/2012 8:08:40 AM PDT by donna (Republicans wont change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They could have an Executionathon and get rid of almost 700 overnight.


22 posted on 08/19/2012 8:39:14 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

CT solved the problem of overcrowded prisons....just give them all early release.

http://articles.courant.com/2012-02-11/news/hc-escaped-inmates-0212-20120211_1_inmates-home-release-program-parole-officers

What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.myrecordjournal.com/meriden/article_f5b6e33e-dcb7-11e1-aefe-0019bb2963f4.html


23 posted on 08/19/2012 8:45:21 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: donna

Not enough to make a difference.


24 posted on 08/19/2012 9:42:02 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ransomed

Zactly!


25 posted on 08/19/2012 9:43:55 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
Vendome said: "Even I was sucked into the 3 strikes law and it hosed the lives of losers who do nothing more than steal loaves of bread."

How about a "Four Strikes Law" then?

There may be justification for leniency for first offenders. When does that justification disappear?

How about if we simply make the first felony a one-year sentence and then simply double the sentence for later felonies? Would that be more fair?

If you do the math and recognize the incredible rate of recidivism you would probably end up with the same number of criminals serving life sentences.

Do you have to lock your car when you park in a shopping center parking lot? Why is that? How long could you park without locking your car before the contents or the car are stolen?

San Francisco conducted a sting years ago which consisted of portraying a helpless person holding cash. The sting resulted in the arrest of the same man TWICE in a nine-month period. How about telling us your estimate of the number of crimes that man must have committed during that nine months that went unsolved?

I have no sympathy for career criminals.

26 posted on 08/19/2012 10:01:01 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have a merciless idea.
Exterminate all those on life sentences.
Exterminate all those who are ‘captives of The War on Drugs’, or ‘The War on Terror’.
Exterminate all those who have pedophiliac charges against them.


27 posted on 08/19/2012 10:16:32 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: William Tell

It isn’t the sentence it’s the parole process that causes such a high recidivism rate that results in their constant incarceration and that environment changes many people.

I have two friends who are really nothing more than drunks and lousy ones at that.

They are also Barney Fife’s of CriminalDumb.

I can’t even recall what they were arrested for the 1st time more than 20 years and to be sure, they absolutely deserved to be punished but their punishments don’t really fit the crime and for sure their parole requirements are simply idiotic.

Then again, while these two morons are my friends, I am not sure they don’t deserve to be in jail from to time just not two or three years at a crack for mere parole violations.

They aren’t violent just too stoopit to function properly like the rest of us and I hate to see someone become dependent on the state through welfare, the same as I hate to see someone wakeup and start telling themselves after all these years that maybe their best life to get housing, food and medical is to just go back in.

That ain’t living and that’s the direction they are going.


28 posted on 08/19/2012 10:50:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Immigrants prove big business for prison companies

MIAMI—Locking up illegal immigrants has grown profoundly lucrative for the private prisons industry, a reliable pot of revenue that helped keep some of the biggest companies in business.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_21216589/immigrants-prove-big-business-prison-companies


29 posted on 08/19/2012 12:20:38 PM PDT by donna (Republicans wont change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: donna

LOL
Touche’

But I don’t care about the plight of the illegal immigrant jailed for being here.....well, illegally and in violation of so may laws.

Don’t blame em for coming either but their living here cheapest the value of citizenship and is offensive to right thinking Americans and thewwho toil for years to become citizens.


30 posted on 08/19/2012 12:49:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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