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This is horrible for all involved. However, I must be getting very cynical in my old age... it occurs to me that the gun manufacturer or the city would have much deeper pockets than an off-duty cop.

How, exactly does a holstered weapon (pointed down) fire accidentally (trigger protected to prevent accidents or bad guys) and hit a woman in the lung who is hugging the officer from behind? Unless she was hugging his knees and reached up for his waist, this just seems so incredibly unlikely.

1 posted on 07/09/2012 8:33:16 AM PDT by pgyanke
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Maybe it was in one of those “Miami Vice” shoulder holsters, where the muzzle is pointed to the rear of the wearer.


2 posted on 07/09/2012 8:37:18 AM PDT by 04-Bravo
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Shoulder holster under his left arm, when she hugged him it rotated slightly.
Off duty guy probably went to push it back up or similar and poof?
/ end obvious speculation.


3 posted on 07/09/2012 8:37:43 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Accidental shooting by Detroit officer. I have some questions about how this cold have happened.

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4 posted on 07/09/2012 8:38:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Premature ejaculation?

Went off at the slightest touch.....

Betting the weapon was “streamlined” to an unsafe extent.

Cops aren’t supposed to do that, and most have policies against lightening the trigger pull.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 8:38:15 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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Perhaps the off-duty cop was carrying a gun in something like this shoulder holster.
6 posted on 07/09/2012 8:39:33 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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In January at my concealed carry class, the instuctor went over the various holster options. I’ve owned a shoulder holster like this officer has, for years. I was surprised when my instructor pointed out a few drawbacks of this type of holster. One was you are always pointing the end of the barrel somewhere that is not directly into the ground, it is pointed at a somewhat higher angle than that. As your body moves around, the pointing also moves in a sweeping manner behind you. He mentioned the remote possibility of an accidental discharge while holstered.

This poor woman must have been a lot shorter than the officer. Hard to say how the accidental discharge took place, but that’s why it’s called accidental.

I like my shoulder holster. The drawbacks of a purse-carry are too great, I’d never do that (yes I am a woman). I like how the shoulder holster keeps the weapon very close to the body.


9 posted on 07/09/2012 8:44:55 AM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("The skinny socialist is a big fat liar."-Monica Crowley author of "What the Bleep Just Happened")
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Just off the top of my head;
Gun was probably holstered in a shoulder holster with the barrel pointed either up or to the back.
1911 type weapon with the hammer cocked. A safety was either defective or when she hugged the cop, she managed to somehow deactivate the safeties. I am not a 1911 fan, but if memory serves, that sucker has two. I am sure someone here that has one will correct me. Another case for the Mythbusters.
10 posted on 07/09/2012 8:45:32 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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Can’t believe I didn’t think of a shoulder holster...


11 posted on 07/09/2012 8:52:27 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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Hugs are better than slugs.................


12 posted on 07/09/2012 8:53:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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Only police should have guns because ...


13 posted on 07/09/2012 8:56:30 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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Probably one of them there safe action Glocks. Only way for a gun to go off is to pull the trigger. Poor lady.


15 posted on 07/09/2012 9:00:28 AM PDT by Afterguard
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Sounds bogus. How does a pistol fire unless it is cocked?


17 posted on 07/09/2012 9:06:05 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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I use nothing but revolvers.

I woudn’t have an automatic for anything.

Revolvers are tried and true.They don’t go off without help and they don’t jam.

True, they don’t have as many bullets, but I don’t plan on being around much after firing 6 rounds anyway.


18 posted on 07/09/2012 9:06:59 AM PDT by Venturer
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19 posted on 07/09/2012 9:13:10 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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This sounds bogus.

A Boston blog written by an AP Science writer
about something that happened in Detroit.

I'm guessing the the off duty officer modified his
Jackass rig by removing the trigger guard cover.


20 posted on 07/09/2012 9:13:54 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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Thats it,,, no more hugs for cops...


28 posted on 07/09/2012 9:30:21 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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I would be lookin’ for an unsafely modified concealed carry service weapon and/or holster before I closed this inquiry.
37 posted on 07/09/2012 9:54:28 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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If it was a waist worn holster,,, body position will be explained by the phenomenon known as “freak dancing”.


49 posted on 07/09/2012 10:28:46 AM PDT by DesertRhino (perI was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Here’s what I have read from multiple, conflicting sources out of the Detroit press:

1. The weapon was a S&W M&P .40, department-issue.

The DPD claims that their weapons “don’t have a safety,” and the M&P’s 1911-style slide safety is optional. I’ll get to that in a sec.

The M&P .40 reporting is backed up by S&W press releases about the DPD contract in 2009. So if we are, in fact, talking about a department-issued pistol, it was a M&P in .40 S&W.

Without the optional slide safety, the M&P has a trigger safety like a Glock and internal safety blocks to prevent discharge upon being dropped.

2. I have seen consistent reporting that the pistol was in a waistband holster, under the cop’s shirt.

3. I have seen three conflicting reports in the Detroit press as to how the woman was hugging the LEO: From behind, in front and around his knees.

I think it is pretty obvious that it would take an extraordinary sequence of events for the deceased to have been shot in the heart and lung from a waistband-carried rig if she were hugging the LEO from the front or the back, unless he was 7’ tall and she was a very short person.

There’s something else going on here, the DPD isn’t reporting it.

As for the “our pistols don’t have a safety” line from the DPD press interview: This is going to bite them badly in court, should a lawyer want to make hay. S&W offered an additional manual safety on the pistol and DPD didn’t avail themselves of this option? Hoooooo.


52 posted on 07/09/2012 11:05:36 AM PDT by NVDave
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The ‘cop’ was having a party, at his own house, and was DANCING WITH HIS WIFE when some strange woman came up and grabbed him by the ass.

I bet the wife’s fingerprints are on the trigger.


63 posted on 07/09/2012 1:17:42 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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