WELL JIM, ENJOY THE BED YOU HAVE MADE: Quix's latest Opus Installment

Wellllllll Jim, Enjoy The Bed You’ve Made . SUMMARY: . IN COMPLEX INTERPERSONAL SITUATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS—WHO CAN KNOW WHAT IS “REALLY REAL?” APPEARANCES ARE WHAT IS REAL TO THE OBSERVER CONCERNED. So, in many respects, the REAL might be the opposite of the statements below. However, the statements ARE PERCEIVED TO BE—APPARENTLY REAL ENOUGH for evidently thousands of FREEPERS that only idiots would fail to give such assertions fitting prayerful pondering.

1. Your leadership and leadership culture are consistent with those of a fairly complex person—like many of us.

2. Your leadership and leadership team CAN be quite generous, forgiving, kind, patient, understanding, compassionate, stalwart, tough, durable, endearing, perceptive, sensitive, thoughtful, persistent, occasionally self-effacing, prefer peace and peacableness; . . .

3. Your leadership and leadership team CAN also be quite arrogant, mean-spirited, harsh, abusive, very foul-worded, hypocritical, mercenary, spiteful, !!!CONTROLLING!!!, narrow, rigid, brittle, prickly, vengeful, judgmental, erratic, flip-floppy, irrational, arbitrary, hypocritical, petty, shallow, prefer flailing about in bitter harsh ways . . .

4. Like all of us with such disadmirable traits, such junk MUST come from your early history and less than ideal fathering (or possibly mothering and/or both).

5. For whatever reasons you have failed to work such junk through very far or very thoroughly.

6. Which might be largely neither here nor there in the larger scheme of things—EXCEPT THAT—you HAVE BEEN GIVEN OF GOD an incredible honor, opportunity, calling, gift, mandate—which you have appeared to increasingly squander to alarming degrees on arrogance, greed, foul, petty, dishonorable ugliness and ineffectual chaotic nastiness, conflictedness, unnecessary contentiousness and the like.

7. As I’ve often said—it’s fine with me if FREEPERS make you rich every day. If a million FR users and lurkers wish to give you a dollar or 5 dollars a day or a month the rest of your life—GREAT. FR gives lots of usefulness, pleasure, relationships and community to many thousands of people daily day in and day out; year in and year out.

7.1 Given the importance of the financial aspect to so many people . . . here’s some comments I posted earlier:

7.2 There is FARRRR tooooo little transparency and candor in terms of finances generally and specifically.

7.3 There is FARRR TOOOOOOO much abuse of even long time users and big time donors. What kind of management brilliance does it take to run off for petty shallow reasons folks who donated $2,500 PER FREEPATHON . . . and folks who donated $500 PER FREEPATHON . . . folks who just left in disgust if not hurt and anger over the petty abuse they took (or their friends or people they respected took) for no good reason. There's evidently some sort of spiritual and psychodynamic sickness at the deep root of such nonsense. And it appears to be getting worse instead of better.

7.4 Begging for funds with various kinds of shallow manipulations and funky hogwash could just be harmless fun among friendly family . . . except that . . . those giving such funds faithfully for more than 10 years are NEVER REALLY SECURE in the RELATIONSHIP and not even in being able to enjoy the FR HOME THAT THEY PAID FOR AND HELPED BUILD from virtually the ground up.

7.5 At some point, the arrogant dogmatic !!!CONTROL!!! freaque domineering fist pounding that "IT'S HIS HOUSE!" "IT'S HIS LIVING ROOM!" is outrageous, hypocritical and just plain factual nonsense. It is FREEPERS who have built up the readership of FR. It is FREEPERS' creativity and writing skills and interesting personalities who have build up FR's once great attractiveness to a wider audience.

7.6 Who paid for the carpet? Who paid for the paint? Who paid for the furniture? Who paid for the pics on the wall? Who pays for the electricity? Who pays for the heat and air conditioning? Who pays the insurance? Who pays the other utilities? Who pays for the internet service? Who pays for the gardening? Who pays for the groceries? Who pays for the transportation? Who pays for the "coming soon servers" that never quite seem to arrive?

7.6.2 It appears that with readership down 16-20% over the last 6 months or so . . . an increasing number of people are flushing the 'guest' out of their lives.

7.7 Clearly, it's the FREEPER SHEEPLE who have been paying through the nose in the face of erratic, arbitrary, irrational abuse year in and year out--never knowing when the mean-streak is going to strike out and slap them hard or even ban them--sometimes in the foulest language any "Christian" was ever known to utter or write. And then their EXTENDED FAMILY that has become so dear and precious to them—sometimes their literal life-savers--will be suddenly flushed out of their lives with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.

7.8 It is ACTUALLY ABOUT AS REASONABLE to say that JR and family are the squatters in the FREEPERS' HOME. . . . you know . . . that old founding documents thing . . . OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE?

And even that wouldn’t be soooooo outrageous IF a REPRESENTATIVE sample (REPRESENTATIVE—AS IN “REPUBLIC”!!!) of the FREEPER COMMUNITY had a seat at the table to offer input and advice THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHTFULLY AND FAIRLY CONSIDERED each quarter. But, NOPE, the fist pounding, insecure, arrogant !!!CONTROL!!! freak domineering junk always rules.

8. HOWEVER, the mean-spirited, arrogant, hypocritical etc. junk has APPEARED to poison your well from the beginning. There have been gross hypocrisies. Early on you were reportedly utterly convinced (with good reason, actually) that Bush was complicit in drug running through Arkansas etc. Yet, fairly early on, you became convinced or persuaded that any discussion of conspiracy stuff on FR had to be forbidden—and mocked as absurdly untrue.

9. You would pontificate at length about maintaining a CONSISTENT stance as a Republic on the unchanging values and foundation of the founding fathers and founding documents. You claimed therewith to be the Premier Conservative website etc. in support thereof. All this was repeatedly stated with great pontifical emotion and fanfare while your leadership and leadership team APPEARED TO BE an erratic, irregular grossly inconsistent, grossly petty, shallow, flip-floppy and often a pathetic chaotic, haphazard, directionless mess.

10. Some folks have documented that few of the political figures you have ended up supporting have won. I don’t know that THAT means a huge lot, given the globalists insuring that the whole SElection/voting mess is 98% farce, charade, futile. However, there’s been a great deal of emotion, energy, expense, time, angst UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WASTED on !!!DEMANDING!!! that loyal FREEPERS support person XYZ and NOT ABC under pain of banning. Only to wake-up the next morning and have to flip-flop with the FR leadership team—too often—seemingly 180 degrees. And to do that with a straight face as though it were rational, made sense and was of benefit to the Republic has been more than a little off the wall and mystifying to thousands of FREEPERS. I don't know where folks were supposed to check their brains and integrity as they complied with the FR Pied Piper in following that nonsense lock-step.

11. You have evidently repeatedly and reportedly from the early years--returned evil for good. That’s been true toward individuals and toward classes and groups of individuals. There’s no excuse for that. None. There’s dozens of ways to avoid that in any kind of disagreement. SOMETIMES it has APPEARED that you and/or your leadership team have gone out of your way to do that—SOMETIMES SEEMINGLY in the meanest, harshest ways handy. Scripture is quite clear about the consequences of that kind of sowing.

12. You can be glibly self-effacing and disarmingly dismissive of the quality of your own Christianity, your leadership, your understanding . . . a list of things in that paragraph that ON THE SURFACE sounded and appeared impressive. Sadly, shortly after, it appeared to be merely propaganda for the FREEPATHON. It became quickly unclear how much of an earnest, heart-felt confession it really was—largely because there was no follow-up fruit of such a confession. It soon rang hollow and a farce. The arrogance, harshness and arbitrary and erratic !!!CONTROL!!! freak stuff quickly returned.

13. You and your leadership team have pontificated, exclaimed and wailed about !!!LOYALTY!!! and !!!BETRAYAL!!! while demonstrating the most petty and absurdly based disloyalty and outrageous betrayal of anyone who was ever a part of FR. You have absolutely no room to talk or complain about either one of those issues. You have merely reaped A PORTION of what you have so chronically, persistently and often mean-spiritedly sown in such regards. And your reaping is far from finished on such scores.

14. You have rightly and honorably claimed Christian values as a hallmark of your personally held priorities as well as FR’s priorities. Sometimes you have followed through—such as with your very admirable and honorable tenacious insistence that prayer threads be allowed in the main NEWS forum. By the same token, you have frequently demonstrated a hideous tendency to lapse into harsh, abusive, foul-mouthed communications publicly and privately—which would make many a sailor blush. None of us is 100% free 100% of the time of 100% of all hypocrisy. However, the frequency and ruthlessness of such foul-mouthed and arbitrary harshness out of clearly a mean-streak is NOT AT ALL a fruit of Holy Spirit. AT some point, perceptive, thinking and discerning folks have to ask themselves: Where is the real JimRob and just how much of an authentic Christian is he? And what game is he REALLY playing for what goal(s)? And doe HE even know or have a clue who he is and what he's about?

15. Many of us have been prayerful and seriously concerned about your health problems for a long time. However, sadly, even there some of us are troubled. Given the relationship between the MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT, one has to wonder if your health would be significantly better if your spiritual health and persistent demonstrations of your spirituality were more consistent with the advertising. In short—mean-spiritedness produces a troublesome harvest in the body, in relationships, in the psyche and certainly in the spirit. At some point, all the prayers in the world will not force a STUBBORN, mean-spirited ARROGANT soul to be better, healthy. As Scripture notes:

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. . . .” I don’t know if the rest of that verse applies to you at present, or not. I know you’re on slippery ground on that score.

16. And IDOLATRY will NOT WORK for anyone—even the king of FR. It doesn’t matter if one nurses one’s own bitterness as idolatry; or if one idolizes one’s country; or one’s own press releases; or one’s FR baby or whatever. Idolatry is a deadly poison.

17. I’ve agonized for many months over how to write the compassionate but stern rebuke I felt pressed so strongly in my spirit to write. People either seem to suck-up to you in fierce psychophant fashion—or to trash you as a minion of satan. I see you more as a typical Attachment Disordered man hung up on some serious spiritual and psychodynamic flaws like most of us in our era. So what. However, to stubbornly cling to one’s arrogance, stubbornness, meanness . . . and to ALLOW, much less seem to exalt in spewing such all over the thousands of folks who give money for your support and the support of your baby . . . that is at best unwise and at worst a pretty hideous example of human excess.

18. I don’t know what God intends to do with you and/or FR. I know you are NOT indispensable. I know that FR will NOT significantly influence the corrupt farce of a November SElection process—if we get that far in any kind of functional shape as a Nation.

19. I know that you have been given a priceless gift and honor of ENORMOUS potential good for the Nation, millions of individuals and the Body of Christ. And you & your leadership team have appeared to squander horrendous chunks of that potential on pettiness, personal pique, arrogance, stubbornness, meanness, willful blindness and willful ignorance. I know that many thousands of people in and out of the Body of Christ who COULD HAVE BEEN FITTINGLY AND USEFULLY WARNED about the spiritual and practical hazards of satanic globalism as well as the fallen angel UFO stuff have not been warned because of y’all’s junk and the junk of the likes of JeanS and Dirtboy and their cadre of harpies. To the degree THAT is true, there will be embarrassing amounts of blood on such hands, come judgment day—unless confession and repentance are heart-felt effected before then—and even then, though it may cover such sins redemptively with Christ’s blood—it will not save thousands who would have otherwise been saved had such a sobering responsibility been carried more fittingly and Biblically earlier.

20. Yet again, as all of us every day—have a choice. You can continue as is most likely—as you have for decades. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And, I am well aware that you have rarely to never demonstrated, to my awareness, the least bit of a constructive response to negative feedback. It’s more likely that such a msg will result in a hardened heart, more arrogance and more stubbornness. That will be however it will be, with the responsibility for individual choices resting with each individual on your leadership team as well as on your supporters.

21. I only know of one priceless brilliant Christian in the upper levels of FR respect, who could likely help pull FR out of such a mess. You know who that is. You probably know they would be highly unlikely to ever say anything—particularly unasked. And, even if asked, they would likely be very sparse with their words—and it would be easy for you to discount, dismiss and ignore their wisdom. They would not push it. Shoot, they likely even would help you circle the wagons unless God made it clear they needed to do otherwise for your spiritual and other health.

22. Time is running out. Your options are shrinking daily in a list of ways as they are for all of us--unless we abide in Christ. I don’t know if Fresno is at a high enough elevation to escape coming traumas for California. I don’t think it is. Besides, the Chinese are not likely to be kind to Californians when they arrive to take possession of so much that they now own. I don’t’ know if HumbleGunner’s place in Texas is far enough from the coast and from Mexico to be wise either. I just know, you and all on the planet need to do MUCH BETTER at getting your spiritual house and your practical house in order--faster.

22. The question was raised in the FREE QUIX thread you closed yesterday about whether I’d like to return to FR. (A) I don’t feel the freedom to do that without your confession, repentance and evidence that you are going to sincerely back such confession and repentance up with “fruit” as the Bible might put it. Confess and repent about what? Whatever of the above that God would confirm as having validity and truth in your life. I suspect hell would freeze over before you’d humble yourself sufficiently to confess and repent. BTW, it needs to be public because your junk was flung about so freely publicly. (B) I don’t feel the freedom to return unless my posting options would cease to be curtailed by mindless, ignorant boundaries. That would include about globalism AS WELL AS the fallen angel UFO topic. I miss the relationship connections but God is God and always will be God and makes even that OK. Besides, folks can find me on this TBL forum.

22.1 Yes, THIS TOO is done as I’d want done toward me IF I’d demonstrated the junk you and your leadership has demonstrated for 11+ years. I’d want someone to care enough to try and starkly but caringly get my attention about such horrors in my life and turf.

23. I do thank you for the years I had on FR of many fulfilling and meaningful exchanges with very interesting people of great diversity but a lot of shared values. May God richly reward you for the humble part I had in all that.

24. I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.

I suspect I'll agree with Romney about 50% of the time, and oppose him about 50% of the time.

Can you point to items in his record to support that? Because all the looking I've done at his record, I can't find even 10% of what I've agreed with. As for believing in capitalism, his RomneyCare directly contradicts that assumption. His statement once that we can be environmentally "responsible" (i.e., enact onerous regulation to "protect the environment" on energy and food production and consumption) without negative affect on free markets, is another thing that proves the lie that Romney "believes in capitalism." What the guy (he is not a man in my estimation) says and what he does are different from each other.

Plurality? I assume you mean in the popular vote, because the electoral college is going to have a majority for one or the other.

Yep. I mean the popular vote.

If every single Freeper voted 3rd party, that's what, 60,000 or so votes? Millions vote third party in every election, so the "statement" being made by an additional 60,000 votes is meaningless. Nobody will care.

Really? Gosh, thank you so much for telling me something I'd never have figured out on my own. *rolls eyes* Hello, BCC, the ripples from a drop in the water at FR extend beyond its membership and even beyond its readership. All of us who are posting ideas, opinions, thought-out strategies, are planting seeds that have the potential of taking root far outside FR. And also, many of us repeat the things we say here in other venues, such as message boards, comments sections, and letters to the editor.

In any case, Bubba was elected with a plurality, and it didn't seem to phase him.

So you think that Clinton, who won on a 43% plurality, where fully 57% of the popular vote was against him, wasn't made vulnerable by that? You think the Republican Revolution would have happened if he'd won on a majority or if HW had been re-elected?

And consider that Clinton was relatively popular and he was new to Americans -- he was a blank slate. Obama's support is failing, people know how who and what he is, and he is becoming more and more despised (just read comments on MSM sources where a pro Obama story appears, and just listen to your Democrat friends and acquaintances when they talk politics). We are at an unusual time in history where Obama is held in such low regard by so many of his former supporters, that there is virtually zero risk that a third party vote instead of for the GOP would result in a majority victory for Obama. This is a God-given opportunity, a rare convergence to conservatives' advantage.

Bruce, NO GUTS, NO GLORY.

If one in three voters, regardless of who they voted for last time, are so disgusted with this Obama vs Obamalite charade that they vote third party -- and of all years in history, this is ONE YEAR where that could actually happen -- then the guy who wins, guaranteed to be a liberal statist government authoritarian, will be on defensive because in the popular vote, nearly two in three voted against him.

You are too timid to take that risk, and instead vote for the assured, certain liberalization of the Republican party. See, there is no risk in voting for Romney to win; it is certain that liberalism would increase and grow stronger in both parties.

On the other hand, while there's a risk that Obama just might be the all powerful Oz everyone thinks he is, odds are that he actually IS a scarecrow and that in an environment where a) two in three voted against him, a humiliating and embarassing referendum, and b) Congress is stronger than ever in terms of conservative opposition not only because more were elected to it in 2012, but moderate Republicans realized that they had better turn right or face the same fate and rejection as Romney -- that in such an environment, conservatives could dominate Obama.

EITHER WAY, a third-party vote completely abandons any say in whether Obama or Romney wins; that is the real gamble in making it, because it forfeits any voice whatsover in the outcome of that contest. A third party vote leaves it entirely up to God and those willing to sanction either Obama or Romney. The pay-off, however, is that a third party vote counts toward weakening the victory of whichever big-government anti-conservative wins, and conservatives will need all the help they can get in that department.

Can you point to items in his record to support that?

For some things, sure. Judicial appointments, for starters. The system in Massachusetts was rigged to give maximum power to an extremely liberal, elected board to approve all judicial nominations. Romney created a new body that essentially made it more likely that nominations would be confirmed on a non-partisan basis. In an overwhelmingly liberal state in which Republicans/conservatives normally would have absolutely no chance at all, he gave them a better chance. I also like the folks he's retained to be his advisors on legal issues.

He also balanced the budget in Massachusetts, something Obama wouldn't even dream of at the federal level. So that's another plus.

Other than that, I don't care too much about his record in Massachusetts because he was dealing with state-level issues. If he is a believer in federalism, then I could care less about RomneyCare, because a federalist as President won't try to force it on the rest of us.

I understand those who want to keep all the emphasis on his time as governor of Mass. But I don't agree with that. Mass is/was the most liberal state in the country. The reality is that you can't get elected there without pandering to the left, and that's what I think he did. But if he really was a lefty at heart, there was no reason for him to ever be a Republican, nor is there any reason for him to have moved to the right after leaving office. He could have stayed right where he pandered. But he didn't.

Moreover, I think we are in fundamentally different times than we were in during the mid-2000's. Spending, the deficit, tax policy, and the overall burden of government and the trajectory going forward are well to the left of where we were. It is perfectly plausible to me that someone who is a moderate at heart could look at where we are and conclude that it is just too much. That whatever might be nice social policy during a time of relative plenty, that's not where we are now, and a different course is necessary.

I think Romney knows we are on the wrong course. He is not a stupid man, and knows what it takes to balance both corporate and governmental budgets. I do not think he is a true conservative at heart, but I also think he believes we are truly on an extremist course right now, and he wants to stop it. And whatever he may believe in terms of desireable social policies during times of plenty, I also think he believes that the private sector is the true engine of job creation, and that we need to be focusing on that rather than on expanding government employment.

In any case, Romney has come out in favor of Ryan's budget plan, and I support Ryan's plan. He's also come out in favor of repealing ObamaCare, so I support him on that as well. I figure that's likely to be more than 50% of the major issues he addresses.

I've lived in MA all my life. I listen to Howie Carr, but there are some things he's just not very perceptive about. He was a disgrace in his pimping for Mitt during the primaries. (Did you catch the "interview" in which it was painfully obvious that both Mitt and Howie were reading from scripts? My admittedly uncharitable guess is that Howie was counting on Mitt's Bain connections to get him a good new gig with a Clear Channel station when is RKO contract runs out; from Howie's recent lack of enthusiasm, maybe Mitt's not coming through.)

I know there are few Republicans in the MA legislature -- actually there were more when Mitt came in than when he left. I'm guessing Mitt was invited by the MA GOP to run when Jane Swift was obviously going to be a washout; at any rate, she just folded her tent and slipped silently off into the night, and there was no primary.

All the (justified) complaints here on FR about the national GOP-e have been true of the MA GOP for years, no doubt why Mitt was such a good fit for them. I don't think the MA GOP has been conservative since the days of Calvin Coolidge! Actually, it's within living memory that there were many Dems in MA who were more conservative than the GOP. Ed King was our last conservative governor (1979-1983).

Roman catholicism is the essence of Antichrist in the Revelation.

False.

Protestants are protesting Antichrist

False.

A man calling himself a priest is antichrist. Calling that man “Father” is antichrist.

False.

Bowing to the Mary/Ishtar proxy is antichrist.

True, but irrelevant. Catholics do not bow to a "Mary/Ishtar proxy".

Reciting a prayer from a book, rather than from your heart is antichrist.

False dichotomy, and false even as written.

Reciting of creeds that mix truth with untruth is antichrist.

True, but irrelevant. Neither the Nicene Creed nor the Apolstles' Creed, nor the Athanasian Creed contain even a single iota of untruth.

Clearly "Editor-SurveyorISM" (I have no idea what faith you profess, other than it's apparently not Christianity in any form) is a religion wallowing in falsehood.

Falsehood, by definition, is Anti Christ.

Hello, BCC, the ripples from a drop in the water at FR extend beyond its membership and even beyond its readership. All of us who are posting ideas, opinions, thought-out strategies, are planting seeds that have the potential of taking root far outside FR. And also, many of us repeat the things we say here in other venues, such as message boards, comments sections, and letters to the editor.

In all sincerity, I think you are deluding yourself here regarding our influence. There is absolutely no way you are going to convince even double digits of the population to vote third party just to send a message. At a minimum, there is a core 40-45% that is going to vote for Obama no matter what. And there are more than enough others in fear of the guy's reelection that they are going to vote ABO. I suppose the proof in the pudding will be seen in November, when we'll see if your theory of mass protest votes actually occurs. If you want to check back then to see which of us is right, I'm in.

Bruce, NO GUTS, NO GLORY.

Let's be really clear about what you mean by "guts and glory" here. You are asking the rest of us to take actions knowing they will result in the reelection of Barack Obama. To me, that is a sure loser, no win scenario. The Ryan budget will be DOA. ObamaCare will have zero chance of being repealed. We will definitely get more extremely liberal justices. It is a certain no-win. Where's the guts or glory in that? It's the political equivalent of the Judean People's Front Suicide Squad in Monty Python's Life of Brian.

The real risk, the real "guts and glory", is rolling the dice with Romney. He may piss us off, and he may betray what he's said during the campaign. But there's at least a decent chance that he won't. I'd much rather roll the dice and have a chance at winning, then make a symbolic statement that guarantees a loss.

And you can end up with a Supreme Court that looks like the Massachusetts' Supreme Judicial Court, all liberal!

There are enormous, important differences between the Massachusetts state system for choosing Supreme Court justices and the federal system. Also the Massachusetts legislature has a very different political composition than does the U.S. Congress. Finally, the population of MA skews much more to the left as compared to the US population as a whole.

If you have a sincere interest in understanding what sort of justices a Pres. Romney might appoint, it would be a good idea to learn something about these differences.

You can find this information right here on Free Republic. It has all been explained here time, and time, and time again.

Yet for some reason it is still quite common to find FReepers who assume that what happened in Massachusetts will happen again nationally if Romney is elected President. The reason for this discrepancy remains officially unexplained.

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