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Vanitissimo | 23 May 2012 | Me

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To: MD Expat in PA
"FB, just like any other electronic media or even old school media like snail mail, post cards, telephone calls, is all in how you use it or choose not use it."

Yep it can be a Social Platform to share with friends and family or a powerful marketing tool for people who wish to market their own wares. And one doesn't get in the way of the other.

81 posted on 05/30/2012 4:43:13 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I didn’t say there were no negatives, you are putting words in my mouth.

For some the primary use is social for others it is financial and for others still it is both. One of the benefits of FB is one can pick and choose how they choose to use it and for what purpose.

The point is just because others disagree with your opinion, does not make what they are saying wrong - just different than your opinion.


82 posted on 05/30/2012 11:09:48 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz
I am not putting words in your mouth at all, I never said you said there were no negatives, but that you are only pointing out the positives as if there were no negatives.

FB is primarly a social network, that is a simple fact.

A study says seventy per cent of all actions on social networking sites are related to viewing pictures or viewing other people's profiles (so, now you know how you get so many comments

http://www.sify.com/news/facebook-is-for-losers-news-offbeat-kewuxBehihc.html

83 posted on 05/30/2012 12:12:00 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Advancement in communication?

No, this is an advancement in narcissism.

Stop deluding yourself.

84 posted on 05/30/2012 12:14:40 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Advancement in communication? No, this is an advancement in narcissism.

I agree with everything you've said. I just don't care to join you in taking on the wrath of the FB disciples. :)
85 posted on 05/30/2012 12:19:14 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I was pointing out positives because you see it only as a negative with nothing positive.

As for it being primarily a social network - so what? That is often what going to work or shopping or even church is.

Your participation in this discussion is no different than the discussion I had on a newspaper comment section earlier today - and that newspaper utilizes FB for its comment section. Of course that discussion was about voter ID laws.


86 posted on 05/30/2012 1:01:30 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: ZX12R
Thank you.

They do have a cult like zeal.

87 posted on 05/30/2012 1:05:45 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Advancement in communication? No, this is an advancement in narcissism. Stop deluding yourself.

OK then I'll prove such.

Ordinary Letter: Used pen/pencil and paper and was hand delivered. Slow and turn around time for a reply could be as much as a month or more. If you wanted to send the same info to someone else who lived elsewhere you had to send another letter.

Telegram: Used Paper plus transferred signal across wires thus allowing for greater speed but still had to be hand delivered so reply time could still take awhile because courier had to locate recipient and you still had to send a copy to each person you wanted to send the info too also was a good deal more expensive. Yet is was an advancement over a letter because of greater speed. (one of the huge advantages the North had in the Civil War.)

Two way Radio Communication: Instant communication allowing for quick exchange of info/ Downside was anyone could listen in on exchange who had a radio and was in range. Also weather and sunspots could severely affect transmission. But as far as speed was a great leap in communication advancement. Also allowed the same message to be sent to multiple listeners simultaneously.

Telephone: Instant two way communication over long distances and much more secure than two way radio. Huge advancement in communication because eventually nearly 100 percent of homes were wired for phones in the first world countries. For years lacked multi level communication until digital age but still is clunky system wishing to allow multiple users to communicate at the same time.

Internet/Email: Huge improvement over letters and telegrams via near instantaneous transmission of text and photo communications to multiple users However the size of associated photo files were limited by most ISPs and with such limitations making transmission of video virtually impossible.

Internet/Voicechat: True multiuser Voice Communication limited by the software and incompatibility built into each software package.

Internet/Facebook: Total Network capability. Facilitating all of the advantages of Text, video, photo and voice communications in one package. Allowing you to drag and drop any link picture video or text into an instant chat or a bulletin board or your own Facebook Webpage. No programming language needed just basic keyboard commands. Allows you to upload pictures videos and text files instantly and share with literally Millions of people or if you choose just a few friends.

Now try and convince ANYONE with basic intelligence how Facebook isn't an advance in Communications.

88 posted on 05/30/2012 1:54:38 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Anyone reading your post knows it is nonsense.

Most of what FB does is unnecessary for anything important, it is mostly dealing with putting up personal information, which frankly, most other people don't care about.

You really are deluded.

89 posted on 05/30/2012 11:02:57 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Most of what FB does is unnecessary for anything important, it is mostly dealing with putting up personal information, which frankly, most other people don't care about. "

Wait you claimed it is not an advancement in communications, now you are back to its unimportant and unnecessary. So let us first deal with the idiotic unneccassry claim.

When the telegraph was invented it was unnecessary people got along fine with out it but it quickly became a mainstay in communication and like I mentioned before was one of the huge advantages the North had in the Civil War (Lincoln could get near Real time updates on battles and troop movements because of his War room was wired for multiple Telegraph line coming in from multiple parts of the country.)

Phones were "Unnecessary" when they were developed that is until they became the dominant form of Communication in the world. Now everyone carries one around in their pocket. But when they were first developed naysayers like yourself predicted it would be nothing more than a novelty. But they like you were very wrong!

The internet and email was for computer geeks when it was first invented and unnecessary. Even IBM the leading computer maker at the time who could have dominated the home computing market predicted no one was really interested in having a home computer because what would people do with one. Then the internet/www changed the world forever and became the dominate communications platform allowing anyone to surf the net for info from their own home with ease BUT if you wanted to share your info it was a code-laden-heavy-handed process and most people had not a clue how to. That is until sites allowed people to use "point and click" and "drag and drop" solutions (like youtube for video and photobucket for pics and blogs sites for text.) the problem was to share all these things in one place was still a coding nightmare no site really incorporated all and anything that tried was still buggy and had such a small customer base that the majority of internet user didn't use it.

Then came Facebook, they packaged all of these forms of communication into one place in such a way that people could easily share video, text and photos with a few clicks of the mouse. Now its has become the largest communications platform on the internet and done so in less than 8 years. 900 million active users in 8 years no communications platform gained that amount of market share in so short of time.

now you claim that Facebook is Unnecessary because all it does is allow people to share personal info. hahahahah OK let us show you exactly how stupid your statement is.

Telephones are mostly used by people who are sharing personal info. In fact if people didn't use them for such the cell phone industry would be a a fraction of the size it is. Cellphones wouldn't need text and photo and video capabilities being all of these features are used to... wait for it... wait for it.. SHARE PERSONAL INFO...! But try and buy one today that doesn't do ALL of those things. WHY is that? Because people WANT TO DO SO. and guess what over half the 900 Million Facebook accounts already use cellphones/mobile devices to share their personal info.

That is 450 million cellphones/mobile devices sharing personal info via their cellphone service on Facebook. There is no cellphone service provider that has close to that many customers. AT&T and Verizon combined don't have half that many customers. (who BTW mostly use their devices to share personal info)

hahahahah your problem is you have nothing but empty rhetoric and you can't back it up with a single fact.

Bottom line Facebook has become the single largest communications platform in the world. Even though you laughingly claim it is "unnecessary and unimportant". I bet Verizon and AT&T would love to be able to have 450 million customers so they could become that "unnecessary and unimportant"...

hahahaha

90 posted on 05/31/2012 4:28:21 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Once again, you confuse numbers with usefullness.


91 posted on 05/31/2012 10:24:09 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Once again, you confuse numbers with usefullness."

See this is your problem right here. The very fact that there are 900 Million active accounts destroys your assertion that Facebook isn't "useful"..? Do you believe there is some government entity forcing these people to sign up? We both know the answer is No. They sign up and Use Facebook because they find it useful.

If they didn't they wouldn't bother creating and then maintaining an account.

And that my friend is cold hard fact.

92 posted on 05/31/2012 10:40:10 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Clearly you have a problem with the meaning of words.

Because something is popular doesn't mean it is useful.

Buy a dictionary.

93 posted on 05/31/2012 10:45:59 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Clearly you have a problem with the meaning of words."

Ahh the meaning of the word useful is "capable of being put to use or serving a purpose, having value or benefit." Facebook is useful in that you can share all different types of info (be it personal, political or business related) with Hundreds of Millions of people. So it definitely has a purpose and is capable of being put to use. And those 900 million active accounts must be getting some value or benefit by doing so otherwise they wouldn't do it.

So once again your proven wrong which is really astonishing because by now the law of averages would tell us you would get something right even if it was by accident. hahahaha

94 posted on 05/31/2012 10:59:18 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
FB is popular.

Something can be popular because it is useful or because it is entertaining.

FB is entertaining, people are amused by it.

They get to talk about themselves.

Other then that, it has very real use value, since millions of people live without it without any problem.

No one has to 'experience' FB to know that it simply a waste of time.

And I think many are coming to realize this.

95 posted on 05/31/2012 4:44:07 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Something can be popular because it is useful or because it is entertaining."

hahahaha OK wasn't it you who said I need a dictionary?

Useful and entertaining are not an "either or" issue.

Useful means just that "Having a use and providing a benefit."

Now you are flailing you don't even understand the words you are using.

Face it sparky. You have no idea what you are talking about!

96 posted on 05/31/2012 5:52:46 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
No, actually the point is very clear, FB is popular for one reason, it is entertainment, for those who think everyone cares about what they are doing.

So it is you who doesn't know what he is talking about-sparky

97 posted on 05/31/2012 8:52:35 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Mad Dawgg
In other words, it's 'use value' is essentially entertainment, which means it has no REAL objective use value.

That should be clear enough even for you.

98 posted on 05/31/2012 9:07:22 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"In other words, it's 'use value' is essentially entertainment, which means it has no REAL objective use value."

Hahahah Now you are just throwing words about. "Objective Value"?

Ok you gotta explain the term because I am fairly certain you have absolutely no idea what such means.

here are the definitions for Objective:

noun
1. something that one's efforts or actions are intended to attain or accomplish; purpose; goal; target: the objective of a military attack; the objective of a fund-raising drive.
2. Grammar.
a. Also called objective case. (in English and some other languages) a case specialized for the use of a form as the object of a transitive verb or of a preposition, as him in The boy hit him, or me in He comes to me with his troubles.
b. a word in that case.

3. Also called object glass, object lens, objective lens. Optics. (in a telescope, microscope, camera, or other optical system) the lens or combination of lenses that first receives the rays from the object and forms the image in the focal plane of the eyepiece, as in a microscope, or on a plate or screen, as in a camera.
adjective
4. being the object or goal of one's efforts or actions.
5.not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.
6. intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.
7. being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject (opposed to subjective).
8. of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality.

Tell us all which one you meant hahahah.
99 posted on 05/31/2012 10:43:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
LOL! You really are slow!

I will try it once again.

A thing can be popular for two reasons.

One people enjoy using it (entertainment).

Two, it has a real use, that people can actually benefit from.

value n 1. the desirability of a thing, often in respect of some property such as usefulness or exchangeability; worth, merit, or importance

FB has no real usefulness, it is entertainment.

1. the act of entertaining; agreeable occupation for the mind; diversion; amusement:

But being a patient man, I don't mind instructing you on the use of the English language.

100 posted on 06/01/2012 2:37:43 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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