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Posted on 05/14/2012 1:57:42 PM PDT by CGASMIA68

Have a part time job quiting tomorrow because the HR manager inserted language into my yearly review that my manager didnt pen.Before I leave I want to send a scathing email from home to the entire buisness outlining what has transpired over the past 5 years and pretty much denegrate the executive team for hipocrcy. Not sure if they can come back at me legally. Any legal types out there I can private email this to for a critique?


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To: t1b8zs

Pull up your pants like a big boy and move on. Children throw tantrums, burn bridges and make fools of themselves. Your pissy little letter will sway nobody, aside from the small man pulling the levers inside your heart, and stick on you forever. Especially these days. Learn from it don’t burn with it. -Wb


81 posted on 05/14/2012 4:17:00 PM PDT by Wagonboy (STOP GLOBAL WHINING!)
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To: dragnet2

Postal employees have their retirements paid by people who pay postage ~ not mere taxpayers.


82 posted on 05/14/2012 4:29:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dragnet2

Now, about those private sector folks who are driven to violence ~ deadly violence no less ~ by indolent bosses who fail to properly invest retirement funds ~ ........... ~ does that mean that management gets the death they deserve (or what)?


83 posted on 05/14/2012 4:30:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
A NOTE: USPS, famous for folks "going postal" still has less than half the rate of violence encountered in private sector businesses. Just keep that in mind

Good reason for this too.

Generally, government employees are paid more, few cut backs, like in the private sector, they giving more paid days off, given top shelf benefits/healthcare, and not to mention those lottery style retirement benefits, etc., all on the tax payers/private sectors backs.

Postal employees have their retirements paid by people who pay postage ~ not mere taxpayers.

You mean the postage that just keeps going up?

What about what the USPS is getting for jamming citizens mailboxes with obnoxious, unwanted 20,000 tons of junk mail per day?

How much do they rake in for that, on the backs of the tax payers, for these government employee retirements?

84 posted on 05/14/2012 4:34:35 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: muawiyah
You actually wonder why there is more work place violence in the private sector?

Government employees are generally paid more, fewer cut backs, like in the private sector, they're given more paid days off, given top shelf benefits/healthcare, not to mention those lottery style retirement benefits, etc., all on the tax payers/private sectors backs.

Millions of private sector have had their hours cuts, lost benefits, slashed benefits, medical insurance made worthless, foreclosed homes, millions of lost jobs, bankrupts, lost careers, etc, etc,...

Tell me, how many millions of government employees has this happened to?

I think it's quite obvious why there is more work place violence in the private sector. You on the other hand seem blind.

85 posted on 05/14/2012 4:40:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: red-dawg

“Just walk in and pee on your bosses desk, that will get your point across nicely. “

More effective to eat a double helping of spaghetti, chug a bottle of Ipecac and then puke all over the bosses desk.


86 posted on 05/14/2012 4:43:37 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: dragnet2
Postage is paid by folks who SEND mail. Those who receive it are passive partners in the transaction.

That's why postal workers are not your personal body servants (a misconception many customers have to be disabused of every now and then ~ some folks are just nasty you know).

Postage is collected even from illegal aliens, foreign corporations and, lo and behold, Chicom spies!

87 posted on 05/14/2012 4:44:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: t1b8zs

First don’t do it.

Second, if you do do it, do it in real writing. Not email.

And remember, coming fromsomeone who used to manage six hundred staff in my department, the only thing you will accomplish is giving the management staff o good chuckle with their coffee and Danish.

Take a couple of days, and start looking again.


88 posted on 05/14/2012 4:47:38 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: dragnet2
OK, hours cut? I don't think anybody in USPS (30% of the federal workforce) has had overtime for the last 5 years.

They've cut back about 150,000 personnel and have their eye on another 250,000.

No one got a pay-raise of consequence for 4 years. Vacation time hasn't been increased in the last 50 years. Obamakkkare threatens to make federal employees health benefits medical insurance worth no more than what you can get for nothing at a free VD clinic (just like yours ~ don't imagine you are special when it comes to Obama ~ his cr*p flows over us all).

I'll tell you something about millions of federal employees, you get rid of 1/3 of them that's a million. You get rid of 2/3 of them that's another million. You get rid of the last 1/3 there's no more mail service and no military! Your ICBMs all go offline and the Chicoms move in to sell your chillun' on the public slave auctions.

89 posted on 05/14/2012 4:51:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

lol...You don’t get it, I could care less about USPS..

Is there a button I can push to send all this unwanted filthy junk mail to my neighbors mail box?


90 posted on 05/14/2012 5:07:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: muawiyah
They've cut back about 150,000 personnel and have their eye on another 250,000.

Hello, it's because the USPS is a bloated loser.

It's what happens when an organizations distributes 20,000 tons of unwanted dirty junk mail daily, and then raises their rates.

91 posted on 05/14/2012 5:10:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: t1b8zs
Have a part time job quiting tomorrow because the HR manager inserted language into my yearly review that my manager didnt pen.Before I leave I want to send a scathing email from home to the entire buisness outlining what has transpired over the past 5 years and pretty much denegrate the executive team for hipocrcy. Not sure if they can come back at me legally.

There is way too much information and background missing for me to give you any detailed advice. I’m not an attorney but I do work in HR, currently mostly on the payroll and HR information systems side now days but I have over 20 years in HR and as a manager.

First of all, just what sort of language did the HR manager insert? Did it totally contradict what your manager wrote, was it false, defaming, did the HR manager change your performance rating? Or was it perhaps pertinent; perhaps something that your manager missed or something your manager might not know about if your manager hasn’t been managing you very long, like excessive absences, written warnings, performance improvement goals that were not met? Does the performance appraisal form provide a place for feedback or comments from the HR manager or did the HR manger just write comments in the margins? Was this perhaps constructive criticism that you have misinterpreted? Have you ever had some sort of run in with the HR manager that would lead you to believe that this person has it in for you?

Secondly, sending an email will (especially a rashly written one, full of spelling and grammatical errors – seriously, trust me, they will not take you seriously and will laugh about it for years after you’re gone) give you or “perhaps” confirm a reputation as a hothead.

Next, did you sign any type of confidentiality agreement? If so, you might want to go back and carefully read it. It’s one thing to send an email to your manager and the HR manager or perhaps even the HR manager’s boss, but sending an email to everyone in the entire company, especially if it includes any sort of confidential information may well violate terms of your employment agreement or a confidentiality agreement, and could possibly set you up for legal action. I’d strongly suggest you not do what you are talking about doing if only for this reason.

And not only might it offend the management and your direct manager and the HR manager, but also some of your co-workers. While some might agree with you, some might also think ill of your rashness and rudeness. While you might not care about a reference or future recommendation of your manager, you might not want to burn bridges with nearly everyone you’ve ever worked with. A new employer might want personal references and not being able to provide a reference from anyone you ever worked with doesn’t look good. When I started, not my current but my last job, on the day I started I met four people I worked with at former companies and I’m glad I had good working relationships with all of them and left all my former employers on good terms (even if I secretly thought the owners or some of the executives were scum).

Next, think about what you are doing. Sure you might be mad, but you are talking about quitting your job without notice. While it’s true that employers generally will only confirm to a prospective employer that you worked there, your hire date, your last day and what you last rate of pay was, it’s not unusual for a prospective employer to ask you and ask your former employer why you left. The former employer will probably not go into details but can certainly state; factually and without comment that you left without giving notice. When you go for another job, even a part time job, are you really prepared to tell your prospective employer that you quit without notice because you were pissed over a comment on your performance review?

Lastly, you don’t mention the size of this company but if it has an “executive team” it doesn’t sound like a mom and pop shop. Some larger companies have a procedure for bringing complaints and concerns to a more senior executive or even an outside mediator. But even then, you will have to prove you tried to mediate the situation yourself.

Unless you are independently wealthy and never care about ever working again, for anyone, at any job, I’d strongly recommend you take a deep breath, sleep on it and tomorrow ask for a meeting with the HR manager, I’d also suggest you ask for your manager to attend or someone else like another HR manager or supervisor. Calmly and rationally express your concerns and be prepared to refute whatever he or she said that you find offensive or untrue. If you get no satisfaction, you can take your complaint the next rung up the food chain but not to everyone in the company. If that doesn’t get you anywhere or you don’t want to bother, having made up your mind that you really want to quit, do yourself a favor and be a grownup about it, take the high road and give a two week notice. If they immediately show you the door, you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you did the right thing.

and pretty much denegrate the executive team for hipocrcy

Then again, you can always find the closest OWS crowd and hang out with them and stick it to the man. : ),

92 posted on 05/14/2012 5:10:46 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: muawiyah
I'll tell you something about millions of federal employees, you get rid of 1/3 of them that's a million.

And your point is?

93 posted on 05/14/2012 5:11:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
20,000 tons is nothing ~ let's say you have 178,000,000,000 pieces at one ounce ~ that would be 5.5 billion tons ~ or 278 times as much as you can imagine!

WOW!!!!!

Dirty? Who knows. It's paper. Everybody in America uses wiper to wipe their delicate-most nether regions so I'd guess they don't share your concern.

94 posted on 05/14/2012 5:19:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: t1b8zs

95 posted on 05/14/2012 5:20:30 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: dragnet2
USPS started out with just over 500,000 employees back in Nixon's day. It's barely more than that today, but there's 5 to 7 times as much mail to handle, and tens of millions more addresses to deliver it to.

There's always room for more productivity improvement ~ and I am all in favor of that. But you saw YOUR SENATE vote down trimming rural post office service ~ and other than tits on a boar, there's nothing more useless than those things.

Write your Congress critter, write your Senators, berate them!

96 posted on 05/14/2012 5:23:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I can see your a biggov phony yap, supporting fatgov at every turn.

See ya!


97 posted on 05/14/2012 5:29:35 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Ben Franklin, etc. ALL supported making the Post Office a federal agency.

It's in the Constitution.

Take your argument up with the founders.

98 posted on 05/14/2012 5:37:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I'll tell you something about millions of federal employees, you get rid of 1/3 of them that's a million.

How would we ever survive muwiya?

Based on your own comments, you're clearly a business as usual, fatgov supporter.

You seem lost on the web and obviously wandered into the wrong room.

99 posted on 05/14/2012 5:58:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Why do I get the feeling you are a fat cat municipal government union president who wants all that juicy federal government work for yourself.

I laid out for you what happens when you eat your way through the federal government ~ you end up with Chicoms selling your chillun's on the slave markets.

Quite possible that suits you fine.

100 posted on 05/14/2012 6:08:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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