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To: stickandrudder

Seems like “spray and pray” has replaced marksmanship.


2 posted on 04/27/2012 5:38:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
A few observations.

I can see shooting back after the perp fired on the cops, but reloading several times after one shot?

He was hit 14 times and survived? What were the cops using, BB guns?

What were they shooting at? They missed the target with 70 shots?

7 posted on 04/27/2012 5:43:01 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Gaffer
The worst marksmanship award on the planet has to be given to the Vienna, Austria PD (and SWAT).

Perp goes in to rob a jewelry store with a .357 Mag revolver. Employee hits silent alarm. Perp caps first cop through the door and kills him; a hostage standoff ensues.

More cops and SWAT arrive. Cops are armed with Glock 17s, H&K MP5 SMG, and 5.56mm AUGs. Cops send in a negotiator who is promptly shot and wounded. Hostage drama continues.

Perp and hostage leave store and he manages his way down the street (hostage in tow) to another store. While forcing the door, the hostage makes a break and the cops unload on the perp to the tune of 1,200 rounds (approximately). [Perp has forced the door and is inside the building when the fusillade hits.] Unscathed, but with no way to make an escape, the perp commits suicide.

Rounds expended count
1. Perp: 3 of 6 for 2 KIA and 1 WIA.
2. Vienna PD and SWAT: 1,200 for zero hits.

Hello, Vienna PD, can you say marksmanship training?

15 posted on 04/27/2012 5:54:20 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Gaffer
Seems like “spray and pray” has replaced marksmanship.

Just goes to show what fear and adrenaline can do. Also, the shorter the barrel, the easier to miss a full grown man at even a small distance of 25' or less - epsecially if you don't have the luxury of taking a stance and using two hands to take a steady aim. We are so into the movies wher a guy takes a snap shot with a pistol and takes out the right eye of someone else at 100', that we base our thoughts and expectations on illusions. My wife and I practice often so we know how we shoot when in "hurry mode" and it allows us to compensate if necessary. Of course we haven't tried it when someone else is shooting at us, so we have no idea of how a real situation will go down....

27 posted on 04/27/2012 6:02:26 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Gaffer

Seems like “spray and pray” has replaced marksmanship......Back in the ‘70’s at the Ohio Highway Patrol Academy, the cops with autos were noticeably poorer shots than the old wheel gunners.


34 posted on 04/27/2012 6:10:47 AM PDT by Safetgiver (The predator class is upset because they are being shot.)
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To: Gaffer

Maybe that has something to do with the 450 million rounds of ammo order. LOL!!!!


59 posted on 04/27/2012 7:30:20 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Gaffer

The only problem I have with this shoot is that if someone other than the police shot like this they would be in jail for reckless endangerment. Talk about a double standard.


68 posted on 04/27/2012 7:59:28 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Gaffer

If this guy took 14 hits and was still standing,then they should have called in the USAF for a airstrike.
Shot placement is everything....


84 posted on 04/28/2012 2:48:27 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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