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Rolling Stones vs. Dean Martin: 1964
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | FRIDAY, 16 MARCH 2012 | RICH KIENZLE

Posted on 03/30/2012 9:02:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Today the Rolling Stones are still Rock and Roll and pop culture icons, even as they battle over when (if ever) to do a 50th Anniversary Tour, a situation that may be easing now that Keith Richards apologized to Mick Jagger over remarks Richard made about his bandmate and collaborated in his best-selling 2010 autobiography. Scott Mervis posted a very astute Pop Noise blog entry regarding Bruce Springsteen's recollections of the legendary TAMI Show movie, James Brown's explosive appearance in that film and the Rolling Stones' unenviable task of following the Godfather of Soul.

It's also worth noting that nearly 50 years later, it's easy to forget how revolutionary the Stones were in, say, 1964. But here's an example that just about anyone can relate to. It was still the Mad Men era in those days, Beatle haircuts got kids thrown out of school and music that could (and is) played in churches nowadays was considered subversive and sick.

Their music, both the hardcore blues aspects, and the blues-based rock, was too authentically black-sounding for white picket fence, white bread Mainstream America. Hell, parents were only beginning to cope with the less threatening Beatles.

Enter the Stones, appearing on ABC's Ed Sullivan-like Saturday night variety show The Hollywood Palace on June 3, 1964. The show had guest hosts and this week's was Dean Martin, then in his prime and creating the legend that's honored today with Dino and imitators around the country, mostly as part of Rat Pack shows.

The Palace, taped in an LA theater, was produced by old-school showbiz types who had little truck with this whole youth movement, prefering instead to present the old farts of showbiz (Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, etc.) and the young farts who followed in their footsteps. The Stones, no less controversial in

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The funny thing is today, I bet the average age of Dean Martin fans is younger than Rolling Stones fans.

1 posted on 03/30/2012 9:02:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Im a fan of both Dean Martin and the Rolling Stones but the Rolling Stones are much, much preferred.

Best Rolling Stones performance can be see on YouTube by searching Rolling Stones gimme shelter Amsterdam 95. Lisa Fischer gives a performance that will raise the hair on your arms. If you are a Rolling Stones fan it is a must see.


2 posted on 03/30/2012 9:14:25 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: nickcarraway
Good article; thanks for posting.

The funny thing is today, I bet the average age of Dean Martin fans is younger than Rolling Stones fans.

Scary, but I fear you're right.

3 posted on 03/30/2012 9:14:50 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: nickcarraway
"We're just trying to have a little fun here, folks."

Dean Martin entertained for the same reason I post my inanities on this site.


4 posted on 03/30/2012 9:19:21 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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5 posted on 03/30/2012 9:19:44 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: nickcarraway
Their music, both the hardcore blues aspects, and the blues-based rock, was too authentically black-sounding for white picket fence, white bread Mainstream America. Hell, parents were only beginning to cope with the less threatening Beatles.

Is this really true, or is this some kind of fabricated history made up by liberals to help further their own narrative about this country? I wasn't alive in the 50's, and I was very young in the 60's, so I don't have a strong recollection of that period. I used to take it as gospel that this was the case, given how it has been pounded into our craniums over the decades. But in the last year or so, I've really been questioning just how much of the written history of this country, pop culture or otherwise, from the past 100 years or so is truly authentic, and not just some made-up, Leftist fantasy designed to make Americans hate their own country. Given how they've lied pretty openly about global warming/climate change - and, well, pretty much everything - I'm thinking that I'm onto something. Maybe some of the older Freepers can set me straight, though.

6 posted on 03/30/2012 9:21:22 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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Pretty nice performance by the Stones in that clip, book-ended by Martin’s “these punks will never play the Sands” attitude. They’re both nostalgia acts now.


7 posted on 03/30/2012 9:24:40 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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8 posted on 03/30/2012 9:26:16 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: Major Matt Mason
I am not older, but based on what I've seen and heard, it's not true at all. Look at jazz music from the 20s-40s. Give me a break.

Listen to the Andrews Sisters. A lot of their songs were way more influenced by black culture than the Rolling Stones. Maybe the audience didn't always realize it, but it's not exactly hidden.

9 posted on 03/30/2012 9:27:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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I never have like the Rolling Stones and find Mick Jagger very, very disgusting, but I do pray for him. One time The LORD put him on my heart to pray for. This most certainly was not my idea.


10 posted on 03/30/2012 9:27:32 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Stones Amsterdam

11 posted on 03/30/2012 9:27:47 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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Graduated from HS in 1964. Didn't like the Beatles or the Stones. But Deano was funny as hell and a cool dude. Now, Deano was still cool, but I now think that the Stones are the best R&R band ever. Beatles can't compare.
12 posted on 03/30/2012 9:31:33 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: Major Matt Mason
There are other examples, but this one sprang to mind:Andrews Sisters - Gimme Some Skin, My Friend
13 posted on 03/30/2012 9:35:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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In all of 50 years the Stones had never sunk as low as Dino did every time he recorded his show reading moronic idiocies off some early version of a teleprompter.


14 posted on 03/30/2012 9:35:35 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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Brian Jones was pretty good with the harp, and Mick almost does a moonwalk a couple of times (to the cheers of whatever younger members were in the audience). It is also interesting to see Bill Wyman play the bass like it’s a hand-held stand-up bass, with the neck pointed straight up in the air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUunKPa9FuI


15 posted on 03/30/2012 9:39:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: I see my hands

Great, with all the weaknesses of post Brian/Mick/Bill Stones on full display.


16 posted on 03/30/2012 9:39:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Major Matt Mason
Good catch, typical liberal spin. The minute I read that statement I thought, never have I associated the Stones with being “back-sounding”. Elvis Presley, yes, some others, yes, but not the Stones.
17 posted on 03/30/2012 9:44:10 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Blow it out your ass. This song is the worst thing ever made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA6QmcTcuzY


18 posted on 03/30/2012 9:46:40 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: nickcarraway

Totally off topic, but check this out. Jimmy Page in 1957.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0tAOIQiz-8&feature=related


19 posted on 03/30/2012 9:46:51 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Major Matt Mason

The quote you cite is more or less true, and the proof is demonstrated by the very stupidity of Dino’s lines and the laughing audience in the video clip. The Stones, as the Beatles, and the Swinging Blue Jeans among others threatened and rebelled against the naivete and innocence of that white bread “humour” on display.


20 posted on 03/30/2012 9:49:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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