This discussion was that the law is basically inconsistent and flawed. A man has no rights to have any say in whether or not a woman has an abortion, yet if she chooses not to, then he is liable.
It is the same as if you sold a car to some kid down the street. He now races up and down the street in it - something you are powerless to do anything about, because it is “his car, his choice.” Yet when he smashes into something, you are told you will have to pay half of the damages.
The concept that men have no rights, yet magically have responsibilities nine months later, is ludicrous. No one has ever taken it all the way to the Supreme Court, and lower courts just look the other way.
Abortion stays ‘legal’ because it doesn't affect most people, and they are willing to just sit on the sidelines. My only premise was some means to make these people get off their rear ends and take a stand.
And yes, the majority of dads are good. But there are plenty of guys out there that have no interest in their responsibilities and do their best to shirk them. I have a friend that spent most of his professional career running them down. And he was always very busy.
The big problem with my theory is that the femNazis are so crazy that if it came down to, "OK, there can be child support or there can be abortion - but not both" they'd probably chose abortion. After all, as St. Hillary said in the 90's, "it takes a village."
The point is about fathers having the right to protect the lives of their children; invariably, when such articles are put on forums, some will sidetrack the discussion by going on about “irresponsible” fathers. That sidetracking has the effect of rendering good fathers - the majority - invisible by placing the focus on “irresponsible” fathers instead.
That noted, the points in your more recent post are accurate. It is insanity for society to tell men - as it does by having abortion as a legal choice for women - that they should be ambivalent about whether their children live or die between conception and birth and then suddenly feel a sense of responsibility to those same children upon birth.
That is a society-killing disconnect.
It results in women who abort being sociopath bitches who profess that they can do whatever they want to whomever they want, regardless of who gets hurt or killed.
It results in men stripped of any reason to care about the future.
In short, it’s the death of civilization.