Posted on 03/15/2012 3:59:18 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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>>I think the Declaration was the high point,
The Declaration is an essential instrument of implementation for an idea...
“TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men”
...that is rooted elsewhere.
To secure them from what? That question is answered by understanding Jefferson’s Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom.
The inalienable rights of the Individual must be secured from the tendency of human nature to manifest the tyranny of the collective majority — most often observable, throughout history, in the theocratic merger of state, religion, and commerce wherein “COMMERCE BETWEEN MASTER AND SLAVE IS DESPOTISM”.
But we won’t hear that from revisionist weasels like Juan Barton.
If being a Christian means living in a country where a lot of people call themselves Christian, then Jefferson was one. But if it means believing in the Trinity, Virgin Birth, the Incarnation, the Bible as the inerrant Word of God, in the Resurrection and the Final Judgement, then Jefferson was not a Christian. And neither was Washington, nor Madison, nor John Adams, and certainly not Ben Franklin. Let’s be clear on this!
Jefferson’s Digest.
Jefferson’s wife Martha died in 1782 when Sally Hemmings was 9 years old.
I understand; that doesn’t explain hopping in the sack with her half-sister. If my wife passes away, I think I’d be looking outside the pool of in-laws for a mate.
It certainly is a possibility that Jefferson did have relations with her; it is still such a stretch that stating it as fact is revisionist history. As pointed out earlier, it was to justify BJ Clinton’s BJs.
I was just making the point that there relationship (if they had one, and not that I really care either way) was not likely adulterous as some perhaps imply. Most who buy into it believe it began a number of years later while Jefferson was in Paris (Hemmings was his daughter's nanny).
In addition, her children were 7/8 european and lived as free white folks. Although she was freed by Jefferson's daughter, after her service to Jefferson's daughter ended, she moved in with her own sons.
The true nature of Jefferson's relationship to his Creator was only known to the two parties involved; and I expect that like America itself, that relationship was a work in progress throughout Jefferson's lifetime.
Jefferson's faith is not for me or you to judge except in how the self-evident Truths therein might affect our own Individual relationship to that Creator.
I just thank God that Jefferson and his peers established a system of American Government where my daughter can explore that question for herself without the threat of being stoned to death for doing so -- or being murdered in a soccer stadium for wearing squeaky shoes.
But the fact that David Barton and the Walltards (with a forward by a Mormon no less) are trying to prop up their own stately religious authority and coercive effect by riding Jeffersonian coattails -- well, that's just laughable, and erroneously dangerous.
Well since wikipedia is never wrong I guess I lose, but just in case maybe you should read some of the original documents, since David Barton actually has them. Why did Jefferson hold Church Services every Sunday at the Capitol?
“In extracting the pure principles which he taught, we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to themselves. We must dismiss the Platonists and Plotinists, the Stagyrites and Gamalielites, the Eclectics, the Gnostics and Scholastics, their essences and emanations, their logos and demiurges, aeons and daemons, male and female, with a long train of … or, shall I say at once, of nonsense. We must reduce our volume to the simple evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man. I have performed this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill. The result is an octavo of forty-six pages, of pure and unsophisticated doctrines.[2]]”
Are those not Jefferson’s own words?
Yes, they are.
[Why did Jefferson hold Church Services every Sunday at the Capitol?]
He didn’t “hold” them - other folks who asked for his permission did.
Was his attendance at those services before or after he rejected the doctrine of the Trinity and wrote the Jefferson Bible?
Ever see a Red Letter Bible?
"we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to themselves. We must dismiss the Platonists and Plotinists, the Stagyrites and Gamalielites, the Eclectics, the Gnostics and Scholastics, their essences and emanations, their logos and demiurges, aeons and daemons, male and female, with a long train of … or, shall I say at once, of nonsense."--Thomas Jefferson.
You sir are an idiot. Jefferson rightly did not like kings, nor did he like churches that enslave their members with guilt.
He was right in accepting Jesus as the purest thinker in history, but wrong to reject the very book that described and predicted his arrival and departure. Enlightened idiots that like to remember that Jefferson had a Koran, would do well to look at what he wrote about that book.
LOL.
So now you’re retracting your assertion of congruity between the Jefferson Bible and the red-lettered KJV. Ok. It’s already on the record - and now amended with your spittle saturated denial.
>>but wrong to reject the very book
That’s correct. Jefferson rejected the KJV.
So since you’re on a Truth spree - what else did Jefferson reject that would differentiate his faith from the Christianity that Juan Barton & Co. are trying to sell the McSheeple?
Idiots for sure. You want to be an atheist then be one, there is nothing to be gained by prosetylizing for atheism since everyone is going the same place, in your view. Actually you may have a lot of fun convincing Muslims to give up their 72 virgins.
Leave me out of it because I am not buying your spiel.
One of her six children did have a male Jefferson in his ancestry, but the time does not line up with Thomas Jefferson. The consensus is that the father was probably his brother Randolph (and hence the "uncle" of Jefferson's daughters), but there are at least three other male Jefferson candidates other than Thomas who were present around the time of conception.
That was the only child whose descendants they tested, so it's not established that the children had different fathers. The test indicated that Eston Hemings's descendants had a common ancestry with descendants of the Jefferson family.
The Carr brothers, who I believe where Jefferson's nephews, were excluded by the test, so suspicion fell on Jefferson's brother Randolph, who hadn't even been mentioned earlier, but Randolph wasn't at Monticello during the time periods when the children were conceived.
There were other Jeffersons living in that part of Virginia, but so far Jefferson is still the most likely suspect. Nothing I've seen indicated that he's been excluded as the father.
If you want something to be indignant about, how about the posthumous smearing of the Carrs to preserve Jefferson's reputation?
I’m no more of an Atheist than Thomas Jefferson was.
Have you always been so disingenuous and unable to operate within the confines of the truth?
Most recent item out: The Jefferson-Hemings Controversy
And I'm not particularly indignant, other than at the cynics in the Clinton administration seizing on and publicizing what was formerly a footnote in history to defend the indefensible.
Good. Make your point if you have one.
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