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To: discostu
Your need to lie to HR and insult people that disagree with you show exactly why you keep winding up looking for a job. Keep throwing the insults, every one you throw proves me right.

You are so myopic you can't see my point. IMO a person who finds himself laid off has every right to tailor his background and or resume to fit the job. Yes people do get desperate but it is better than going on the dole. I am not ashamed that I have been in that situation.

Fortunately I am fine now but if it were up to most hiring practices in this country a person might as well go into some kind of suspended animation until the perfect fit comes up. Well it doesn't work that way. We either suck off the govt. teat or take something that we are overqualified for until the economy improves or something else comes up. Those are the facts of life.

My guess you've never been young unemployed and needing a job to make it thru. You've been blessed. With that blessing comes ignorance.

exactly why you keep winding up looking for a job.

I've had the same job for over 10 years, making well into the 6 figures. But I will never forget what it was like in the early 80's to have rent due, getting laid off and needing ANY kind of job. Being told I was over qualified is something that ONLY happened to me once.

As a young layed off degreed engineer I applied to a large ME contractor to layout piping and HVAC duct - simple crap, didn't get the job because I was over qualified. That experience taught me "the game". Never again.

Never forget where you came from. In this economy I could end up doing manual labor, construction or restaurant work again.

116 posted on 02/16/2012 8:21:54 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Talk about myopic. I know full well what you’re point is, I even said I used to agree with it, until I worked the other side of the equation. You’re the one ignoring my point. People doing hiring aren’t looking for the awesome guy (overqualified) that will bail in 3 months when he finds something better, they’re looking for the really good guy that will stay for years. And anytime you’ve lied on your resume just to get a job at all until you could find something that was a better long term fit you proved them right.

I understand the facts from both sides. I’ve been laid off, and I’ve hired (and of course that means not hired) people. I know how bad it sucks to be out of work and watching the money evaporating. And that eats my gut every time I have to pass on people during the hiring process. It sucks, I WANT to hire every half way decent resume, but I can’t. I’m trying to fill 1 or 2 positions out of 50+ resumes at least half of which I can make a good case will be able to do the job well, I have to chop those 25 good guys down to 5 or less to interview, and then reject 3 or 4 of them. It sucks. Culling days are the worst days at work. But that’s part of the job. Learning you can’t hire them all, you can’t even hire most. And the biggest thing to learn is you do the most good by hiring the best fit, because now you’re giving somebody a job they’ll enjoy for years.

Your “best guess” is 100% wrong. Been young and out of work plenty. Learned from it. Learned enough from it to wind up on the other side of the equation, learned A LOT from that.

What would have happened if you’d gotten that HVAC job? Would you have continued to look for work? How much longer was it between when they rejected you and you got a job that fit your actual skill set? If your answers are “yes” and “less than a year” that’s why they didn’t hire you.

Looking for people is an expensive proposition, even if there’s no training involved there’s still the expense of screening applicants. When I was in McDonalds in the 80s the OMT manual said hiring and training process cost 3 grand, that’s for a freaking burger flipper 30 years ago. For something outside minimum wage land where the people screening applicants, training the new hire, and the new hire themselves are getting paid actual money you’re talking about sinking 10s of thousands of dollars into the process. It’s survival negative to sink that kind of money into somebody that won’t stop looking for a new job just because you hired him. You want people that are going to stick, overqualified candidates won’t stick, that’s why you don’t hire them.

I’ve never forgotten where I came from, but I’ve also never forgotten the goal of the process. Because in the long run fulfilling the goal does the most good for the most people. Go throwing money around on overqualified candidates that won’t stay and in short order the company is out of money and then EVERYBODY is looking for a job. Short sighted thinking is what got the economy in this shape. There’s a reason why the shortest tenure any of my hires have ever had was 3 years, I keep my eye on the long term. And yeah I’ve passed up a lot of really good candidates that would have been gone 6 months later because of it, and I’m sure their short term life was made harder because I passed them up, and it sucked, and I drank to make it suck less, but my decision was the right one for everybody.


117 posted on 02/16/2012 8:59:53 AM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: central_va
The worst job I've ever had was looking for work. I don't like the game either so I went into business for myself. It's not easy, but I'm surviving. I got 10 times more "jobs" that way than going through the old resume process.
121 posted on 02/16/2012 9:41:36 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Rick Santorum in the primary)
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