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fso301: "It's definitely understandable how Kimmel & Short were sacked for being dismissive of intelligence reports and not maintaining readiness."

And you can cite evidence where either Kimmel or Short ever "dismissed" a single intelligence report, or failed to order alert levels as ordered by Washington?

The truth of the matter is they were never warned of the coming air attack, and they did order and report to Washington alert levels appropriate for the warnings they actually received -- warnings against sabotage.

16 posted on 02/05/2012 5:18:31 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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And you can cite evidence where either Kimmel or Short ever "dismissed" a single intelligence report, or failed to order alert levels as ordered by Washington?

The truth of the matter is they were never warned of the coming air attack, and they did order and report to Washington alert levels appropriate for the warnings they actually received -- warnings against sabotage.

There is a boatload of evidence but for starters, I suggest you read the Jan 1942 Roberts Report summary. I pasted a few snippets from the summary here and linked to the report at the end.

In a letter of January 24, 1941, the Secretary of the Navy advised the Secretary of War that the increased gravity of the Japanese situation had prompted a restudy of the problem of the security of the Pacific Fleet while in Pearl Harbor. The writer stated:

"If war eventuates with Japan, It is believed easily possible that hostilities would be initiated by a surprise attack upon the fleet or the naval base at Pearl Harbor."

The writer stated that the

"inherent possibilities of a major disaster "

warranted further speedy action to

"increase the joint readiness of the Army and Navy to withstand a raid of the character mentioned * * *"

The letter proceeded:

"The dangers envisaged in their order of importance and probability are considered to be: (1) Air bombing attack, (2) air torpedo plane attack, (3) sabotage, (4) submarine attack, (5) mining, (6) bombardment by gunfire."

It stated the defenses against all but the first two were then satisfactory, described the probable character of an air attack and urgent consideration by the Army of dispositions to discover and meet such attack and provision of additional equipment therefor. It concluded with recommendations for the revision of joint defense plans with special emphasis on the coordination of Army and Navy operations against surprise aircraft raids. It also urged the conduct of joint exercises to train the forces to meet such raids.

The Secretary of War replied February 7, 1941, giving the present and prospective status of the Hawaiian Department in respect of airplanes and antiaircraft artillery, and stating with respect to the other proposals of the Secretary of the Navy that a copy of the letter was being forwarded to the commanding general, Hawaiian Department, with direction to him to cooperate with the local naval authorities in making the suggested measures effective.

Admiral Kimmel and General Short received copies of these letters at about the time they assumed the commands which they held December 7, 1941. Rear Admiral Bloch also received copies.

-snip-

On the same day (November 27, 1941), the Chief of Naval Operations sent a message to the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, which stated in substance that the dispatch was to be considered a war warning; that the negotiations with Japan in an effort to stabilize conditions in the Pacific had ended; that Japan was expected to make an aggressive move within the next few days;

-snip-

The Navy Department sent three messages to the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet; the first of December 3, 1941, stated that it was believed certain Japanese consulates were destroying their codes and burning secret documents; the second of December 4, 1941, instructed the addressee to destroy confidential documents and means of confidential communication, retaining only such as were necessary, the latter to be destroyed in event of emergency (this was sent to the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet for information only); and the third of December 6, 1941, directing that in view of the tense situation the naval commands on the outlying Pacific islands might be authorized to destroy confidential papers then or later, under conditions of greater emergency, and that those essential to continued operations should be retained until the last moment.

The foregoing messages did not create in the minds of the responsible officers in the Hawaiian area apprehension as to probable imminence of air raids. On the contrary they only served to emphasize in their minds the danger from sabotage and surprise submarine attack. The necessity for taking a state-of-war readiness which would have been required to avert or meet an air-raid attack was not considered.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/roberts/roberts.html


17 posted on 02/05/2012 6:19:42 AM PST by fso301
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