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To: butterdezillion; Kenny Bunk
Kenny, I think you said that Obama never claimed that what he posted online was his actual birth certificate.

That may be correct, but it will get lost in the fact that his attorney took a contrary position in federal court.

In a footnote to his January 2, 2009 Motion to Dismiss the case brought by Gregory S. Hollister, Obama attorney Bauer informed the court that “President Obama has publicly produced a certified copy of a birth certificate showing he was born...in HI.” Bauer referred the court to factcheck.org as concluding the certificate was genuine and urged the court to take judicial notice of the fact based on “these public records”.

It seemed ridiculous at the time that this information was deemed to have no evidentiary value, or to not support futher action by plaintiff.

See http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2008cv02254/134576/9/0.swf

67 posted on 01/16/2012 11:18:32 AM PST by frog in a pot
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To: frog in a pot

This is one of the biggest problems with Obama’s birth certificate. A real, authentic birth certificate is considered self-authenticating under the Federal Rules of Evidence, but rather than present a physical copy of the alleged document, his attorney only footnoted judicial notice to a website run by self-declared factcheckers who have no function as authenticators of legal documents. They might as well have admitted the alleged COLB was fake then and there.


70 posted on 01/16/2012 11:54:44 AM PST by edge919
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To: frog in a pot; butterdezillion
Obama has NEVER personally claimed to be a Natural Born Citizen. His entire PERSONAL claim to constitutional legitimacy rests solely on his claim to have been born of an American mother in Hawaii.

His lawyers may claim all they wish in any court in the land, but they have given him, as any good lawyer in a bad cause would, plausible deniability. Obama has never been called as a witness (nor has he had to be). He has never perjured himself.

This is a monstrous cabal ... and the most effective ever staged in the entire history of the USA.

75 posted on 01/16/2012 4:14:46 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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