Posted on 01/15/2012 9:32:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
A conservative Christian caucus gave GOP presidential long shot Rick Santorum a last-ditch boost from a Texas ranch yesterday, bestowing its blessing upon the former Pennsylvania senator in an attempt to galvanize the God-fearing vote against front-runner Mitt Romney.
About 150 social conservatives anointed Santorum as their man on the ballot, voting to back him over Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry — and, in doing so, to try and derail Romney after his back-to-back wins in the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary.
Their vote came as little surprise to Romney’s brethren at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints temple in Belmont, where the presidential hopeful once served as a church leader. Those who have prayed with him there say they’ve long had to cope with — but still don’t understand — the refusal, by and large, of Evangelicals to accept Mormons as Christians.
“I tell you, it’s the craziest thing I’ve seen in my life,” Clayton Christensen, a high councilor, said of Evangelical hand-wringing over the prospect of a Mormon commander in chief. “Here’s the litmus test, ladies and gentlemen. Christ said: ‘By this shall all men know ye are my disciples: If ye have love unto one another.’ By that litmus test, which is the litmus test that Christ lays out, there is no Christian church more Christian than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.”
But a slim majority of Evangelicals see things differently, according to recent polling by the Pew Research Foundation. A November poll showed that 53 percent of white Evangelical Protestants believe Mormons are not Christians; about 12 percent weren’t sure.
Conversely, in a Pew poll released this week, 46 percent of Mormons say there is broad discrimination against them in the United States, and about 68 percent said they do not see themselves as part of the American mainstream.
But more than half — 56 percent — said they believe Americans are ready to elect a Mormon president.
For voters on the fence over Romney’s faith, longtime Mormon leader Grant Bennett urges considering the Kennedy presidency, when Protestants worried the pope would have a hot line to the White House and a servant in the Oval Office.
“We’re simply seeing a replay of the very same dynamics. The idea that Mormon leadership would attempt to dictate or even opine on a critical topic is really very foreign,” he said.
“Over time, what they’ll find, if Mitt Romney or any other Mormon is elected president, they’ll find, as it relates to core values, that we have a great deal in common with Evangelicals and Catholics and fundamental, mainstream Christianity.”
interdenominational stuff
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interdenominational stuff is minute differences between Lutherans and Methodists.
The difference between Mormons and Christians is the SAME difference as Muslims and Christians.
And the salvation of souls is more important than politics.
However, Mormonism aside I WILL NEVER EVER EVER VOTE FOR MITT.
There is no religious test imposed upon voters in the voting booth. Voters can take the characteristics & qualities of any candidate.
If a candidate is vulnerable in the key areas of their life (religion), then who are you to tell voters in the voting booth that they can't take that into consideration as a character flaw?
We're not talking about voting for dogcatcher, after all, but THE leader of the free world.
If Newt announced Monday that he was a baby god on his way to becoming a grown-up God, I don't think you would be crying in the wilderness preaching, scolding, and lecturing that voters can't take that into consideration at voting time.
If that's true with Newt, then why does Mitt get a free pass from you?
I guess you wouldn't take a jihadist Muslim religious position into consideration -- if you had an ounce of consistency running thru your blood.
What?
Interdenominational stuff? You are making a joke right?
Interdenominational would be the difference between Catholics, and Protestants.
The difference between mormonISM and Christianity is the difference between Biblical teachings and top hat fantasy.
lds teach that jesus is created, not eternal.
lds teach that god is progressed, not eternal.
lds teach salvation must be worked for, not a Gift of Grace.
Before you make another fopaux, I would suggest that you learn about mormonISM.
Reaganaut is right...If Romney was an Evangelical, I wouldn't vote for him...Not only because he's a "lying liberal"...but a pro-abortion one.
But you can't say that about Mormon voters...can you?
They voted 94-6% pro-romney in Utah & Nevada the previous election. (What? No "sickness" comment there 'cause Mormon voters because they voted primarily or ONLY because Romney was a fellow Mormon?) One Mormon apologetic conference in August even cited a Gallup poll indicating that 96% of Utah Mormons would vote either for Romney or Huntsman this go-around).
As for a Jewish candidate for POTUS, there's a principle here you overlook. It's what I call: THE 'BATPHONE' PRINCIPLE DURING A JACK BAUER-TYPE OF '24' CRISIS [LET'S HAVE A 'COMMISSIONER GORDON' WHO ACTUALLY HAS A 'BATPHONE' DIRECT LINE TO THE GOD OF THIS WORLD IN THE MIDST OF CRISES SITUATIONS!]
Say what? Obviously God hears the prayers of all people. But we know from reading the Bible that God seemingly responds more favorably to those He is in an actual relationship with...versus examples like Pharisaical religious legalists whom Jesus said were of their father, the devil (John 8).
Many, including Mormon leaders, claim that if we start considering the faith of a candidate, that it might "weaken the foundation" of our country.
You mean religionists might actually prefer having a POTUS in the White House who actually knows the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Why, how shocking!
Do we mean that if the Living God was called upon during a Jack Bauer-like crisis by a POTUS who actually is in a vital relationship with Him...that is problematic? What?
To hear some tell it, such a candidate would NEVER be preferred over voting for an atheist candidate on faith grounds!
Which in turn, would supposedly "weaken the religious foundation" of our country?
How does that make any sense?
Wow! Between this & the other comment I responded to, you bring much shame when we compare your generation to the "Silent" Generation of those who fought in WWII.
I think between the lingering elements of the Depression, and the combined threat of the Nazis & Japanese as of 1942, you couldn't have had a more "unstable" world.
To hear YOU tell it, the U.S. wouldn't have even engaged the Nazis and create any fox holes in Europe. Why?
Because you don't seem to think that people can multi-task.
You're anti-multi-tasking comments would have been to lecture the U.S. from taking on any "bigger" problem than the Japanese who just bombed Pearl Harbor...due to an "unstable world."
Sorry...but religious cultists just make an already unstable world even more unstable...
But...hey, why don't you just offer up your children & grandchildren as a "living sacrifice" to all the cults of the world & then we'll know how serious you are in your zealotry to call all the missionaries home from reaching the religions you want to "poof" -- label as "heaven-ready."
Does Christianity teach that Jesus had to progress by following some rule system to become a god?
Does Christianity teach that Jesus' literal brother is satan.?
Does Christianity teach that the Father is cranking out spirit children with his heavenly wives?
If you answered no to the all of the above, then you should realize that mormonism isn't Christianity.
Look, I really don’t care how you guys fight it out about whom has a better relationship with Jesus, who does the best prayers, whether saints is paganism or whatever day is the real Sabbath.
The country is on fire and we have a dictator as president, and frankly I DONT think this bloc of “Christian” voters seems all that concerned with much more than religious identity politics.
Some of us actually recognize the real enemy that must be beaten, and are astonished at how so many people are instead trying to duke it out over which non-Mormon is righteous enough to take on Mitt rather than picking the person with the best chance to win on the non-religious issues that are really going to deiced this election.
You keep saying, I don’t care I don’t care, yet you wont leave the thread. Apparently you do care.
mormonISM is not Christianity - period.
Translation: "Look, I really don't care about ANY relationship with Jesus." (And hey, since you make assumptions left & right, the implication here would be: "Including my own.")
...who does the best prayers
Pure reductionism. Because faith discernment is so lacking.
Let's start with a basic primer for you: How about at least somebody being able to pray to the true...or is it with you...any ole idol will do?
The country is on fire...
(Oh and what? You were able to snuff out hell's fires already? Wow! What a fireman!)
Some of us actually recognize the real enemy that must be beaten.
Not really. Because we NEVER have only one enemy. You're so tunnel-visioned you could never multi-task.
I suggest you resign from all your roles (spouse, parent, employee, etc.) but one because you have spiritual hyper ADD and can't concentrate on more than one issue at a time.
There seems to be at least one "Constitutionalist" on every Mitt thread who needs to be educated.
I’m more concerned about Mitt being from Massachusetts.
I never claimed to be an expert on Mormonism. In any event, there are plenty of non-religious reasons to oppose Mitt Romney.
I don't question your right to believe as you believe and I'm sure you have good reasons, it's just that discussions about elections aren't good forums for interdenominational debates. In any event, Romney isn't running for National Spiritual Leader and if he is elected (Heaven forbid) he won't require Americans to join the Mormon Church.
But they dont preach from the Bible
They themselves claim that Christianity died and it took an angel to tell joseph Smith this and that he was to start a new church with new teachings
The Bible is very clear on this and why it is wrong
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
They better spend some time looking at the political agenda behind the mask of mormonism. It's not about a "religion" it's about their political agenda ....based on what they are taught as a religion.
Just as Islam claims to be a "religion"...and we know that it is not rather has political agendas for the world...So too does Mormonism.....they just don't braodcast it much as the dark side is withheld from the public...though those who have left Mormonism do mention this agenda it's neveer given the press it needs............but you can bet money the Democrates will bring it out....unless of course they see Romeny as their guy while the country goes down under a repbulican Pres.
No they are not. They don't past the tests of Christianity...rather they do point by point hit every mark of a cult or false religion.
So if it's not Christian...the question really is what is it's purpose? Like any organization or corporation which has a religious component to it...the desire of it's leadership is to roll the nation over in order to "restore" it as a nation which follows Mormons rules and regulations...it is their agenda....but operates behind the mask of a religion.
You make intersting point, but please read posting #53.
That is true, but as with other false religions desiring political power you cannot, in their eyes, separate the two...though Mormon's attempt doing so because "hidding" their political agenda is important....that political agenda is based on twisted and bizarre religious teachings, (which the dark side of Mormonism has deeply entrenched in it but not seen until a "candidate" is pretty much brainwashed)...as with the political side, kept pretty much from mainstream America.
Romney has held some of the highest offices in Mormonism....and he is foremost dedicated and loyal to that leadership above and beyond any oath he'd take as President. .......so that should be concerning...His allegiance will be exactly to the Mormon leadership first.
There is a reason why Washington has many Mormon's within it. It has been long understood that grooming their young men via the universities etc. to aspire to positions of leadership is important and necessary to carry out their agenda.
We see this occurring also with the Islamic push in our country as well....those "religions" with high desires for political power are doing so with the idea of the unity of religions under a group of leaders on the International stage...the more members and money the more the clout and position they will have....it is political AND religious because that will be part and parcel of the New World order....they have to have "religious" people of mainline religions on board in order to have access to the revenues they generate (faithfully by members)) available and moving on the World Stage.
When you follow the International Stage and events, you can see all this lining up as we speak...it's actually very apparent now where once pretty much doing behind closed doors.....the media isn't connecting the dots and careful still what they reveal...they are of course being used as well when it matters.
No..of course not..that would be too obvious and something Mormons are is very evasive....but again it's not about converting people, though they do that to fill in the void from others leaving, it's about what is already established in the Mormon Corporate and high level leadership and their aspirations for as high of dominance they can achieve on the international stage...but as always you don't generally see them operate...you see the results.
Take some time and look at the holdings , real-estate, company ownerships this organization has....it's gigantic and that on an International Scale.
“I find it shocking how little Romney’s mormon faith is being discussed during the primary..”
After Rick Perry stumbled over this question, people realized that condemning Mormons to hell was not a winning strategy. I find it shocking that many people remain ignorant about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - that we are Christians. I am grateful for Rick Perry’s stumble, actually, because it exposed the bigotry and ignorance.
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