Posted on 12/29/2011 2:24:31 PM PST by emax
So there are many jokes and speculations about it, but with the passing of the Cypertrrrorism acts, s. 978, NDAA and other such laws, is there anyone here who truly expects that American gulags will be set up for them, or internment/reeducation camps for posting here or even for just being a member here ? If so, that could mean that anyone, on the right or left, that ever said anything bad about our current govermnent, could get sent to a camp. That could lead to as much as the third or half of the population being sent to internment camps-over 100 million people.
If you do not think it will happen, why dont you think it will happen ? What is currently preventing the govt from becoming a new Stalinist or Maoist or NK-like paradise ? What provisions in the recent laws I mentioned above prevent them from being used to create a dictatorship,, if there are any ?
It is also the loss of jobs, job credentials and public humiliation of those contrary to the regime. Dissenters don’t disappear - they lose their jobs and are publicly denounced for being contrary to PC.
From the top:
The left long has telegraphed what they want to do or will do if given the chance.
They often accuse their opponents of doing what they themselves are doing.
With this in mind, I remind you of the left insisting that President Bush was making “re-education camps/FEMA camps/Wal-Mart detention centers[yes, they said that]” to incarcerate the democrats in.
Now we have a hyper-liberal wannabe dictator [keep an eye on his power grabs and excluding congress from decision] who can now detain you indefinitely whenever he feels like.
In direct vioolation of your constitutional rights to know the charges against you, face your accuser, fair trial etc...
Well, it’s what commies typically do when they get into power and want to keep it, so ya gotta admit it’s a possibility. America isn’t Russia, and we still have the right to bear arms, so it won’t be easy, but I’ll bet there are plans being made.
260 million privately owned firearms. This ain't the USSR.
Unnatural deaths ordered by Communist regimes fall into three fairly distinct categories: deaths due to extreme hardship conditions in slave labor camps; deaths due to man-made famine, usually closely connected to forced collectivization of agriculture; and lastly, straightforward executions. Later sections of the FAQ discuss the composition and quantity of killings in different nations and time periods, but since similar patterns repeat themselves, here are some general remarks:
Deaths due to extreme hardship conditions in slave labor camps
Slave labor camps, also known as “concentration camps,” “forced labor camps,” and “re-education camps,” have played a vital role in Communist systems from the very beginning. Lenin’s secret police, the Cheka, began to set up concentration camps in 1918; the first official admission appears to have been made by Leon Trotsky, who threatened rebellious Czech forces with confinement in concentration camps if they refused to join the Red Army. The number confined during Lenin’s reign was by later standards modest, apparently no more than 100,000; but from the outset concentration camps were set up in the unbearable climates of Siberia and northern Russia, and used for extremely demanding tasks such as canal digging, timber cutting, and mining. Such conditions would have tested the endurance of anyone, but they became deadly when combined with the small amounts of food and inadequate clothing issued to prisoners: the annual death rate in Lenin’s slave labor camps generally ranged between 10-30% per year. (Thus, the odds of surviving a five- year sentence ranged from 20-60%). Moreover, the high death rate required continuous large-scale arrests merely to keep the prison population stable.
In the early Stalin years, the camp populations were roughly stable, but by 1930 by most estimates the number had skyrocketed to 1,000,000 inmates. But the growth era of the camps was only beginning: by 1940 the concentration camps contained about 10,000,000 souls, while camp conditions grew ever worse. The prison population declined and living conditions improved considerably after Stalin’s death, but the slave labor camps persisted into the Gorbachev years.
Some would question whether the deaths in slave labor camps can reasonably be considered “murder.” Clearly, if prisoners had been provided with adequate food, clothing, and shelter, the state would have been guilty of slave-driving, but not murder. But this is simply not the case: a conscious decision was made to severely restrict provisions for prisoners while forcing them to perform incredibly demanding work. This methodological standard is not especially high: researchers of Nazi atrocities have routinely and sensibly counted the deaths of slave laborers under inhuman conditions as murder. Mass murderers use a diverse bag of tools, as the testimony of famed Nazi war criminal Adolph Eichmann reveals:
EICHMANN’S MINUTES FROM THE WANNSEE CONFERENCE PRESENTED AS EVIDENCE AT HIS TRIAL:
“Within the framework of the final solution, Jews will be conscripted for labour in the eastern territories under appropriate leadership. Large labour gangs of those fit for work will be formed, with the sexes separated. They will be made to build roads as they are led into these territories. A large percentage will undoubtedly be eliminated by natural diminution.”
PROSECUTOR: What is meant by “natural diminution”?
EICHMANN: That’s perfectly normal dying. Of a heart attack or pneumonia, for instance. If I were to drop dead just now, that would be natural diminution.
PROSECUTOR: If man is forced to perform heavy physical labour and not given enough to eat, he grows weaker, and if he gets so weak he has a heart attack...?
EICHMANN: That undoubtedly would have been reported as natural diminution.
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