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UFO Survey Reveals Many Americans Believe the Obama White House is Lying (truncated title)
marketwatch.com ^ | 12/21/2011

Posted on 12/21/2011 10:04:10 AM PST by RoosterRedux

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To: RoosterRedux
Sure... hundreds [thousands?] of people in the past and present government know all about it.... or maybe there is no secret? i.e.

Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead. -- Benjamin Franklin
21 posted on 12/21/2011 10:24:12 AM PST by NamVet71MP
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To: RoosterRedux
98%, 99%, come on? Only Soviet elections get those results!

Mike

22 posted on 12/21/2011 10:28:05 AM PST by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Mr. K

I’d like to hope your assessment would be accurate if there was anything alien or super-unbelieveable out there.


23 posted on 12/21/2011 10:29:28 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: RoosterRedux

Well that puts me in the 1%. I have no doubt that other intelligent species exist in the universe but the idea that they are wasting their time flying around interstellar space is ridiculous. Considering the distances involved it makes no sense to me and even if something like a wormhole could be used why waste time coming here?


24 posted on 12/21/2011 10:30:59 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: Mr. K

You raise a good point. When someone becomes POTUS does that automatically give them need to know access?

In other words, are all of our secrets briefed to the successor POTUS as soon as they are sworn in?

There are pockets of Congress who have access to Special Access Programs however they often don’t know what the program is about.

SECURITY CLEARANCE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/ORG_Chart.pdf


25 posted on 12/21/2011 10:32:43 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: RoosterRedux

In some unknown place, Art Bell is smiling and nodding his head in a “I told you so” manner....


26 posted on 12/21/2011 10:34:37 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: RoosterRedux

Would the President be Briefed on a UFO Special Access Program
http://www.ufoskeptic.org/president.html
In 1976 presidential candidate Jimmie Carter promised the American people that he would open any government UFO files that might exist. Recall that while governor of Georgia, Carter had a UFO sighting and actually filed a report. After winning election to President, Carter met with CIA Director George H. W. Bush seeking a briefing on the topic. Bush turned him down, claiming that neither as President nor as Commander-in-Chief did he have a “need to know.” Once in office Carter turned to NASA for information, directing presidential science advisor Frank Press to ask NASA administrator Robert Frosch to “form a small panel of inquiry” to investigate the UFO situation. This letter and other correspondence may be found in “UFOs and NASA” (Journal of Scientific Exploration, pp. 93—142, 1988). Nothing at all came of this as recounted by Richard C. Henry — then a young astrophysicist (now a prominent Johns Hopkins professor) working as a deputy to the director of what was the Astrophysics Division at NASA headquarters — on whose desk this “hot potato” request landed. For five months NASA went through some amusing twists and turns, recounted by Henry, before politely declining.

Discounting the NASA farce, and assuming that any possible UFO program would exist as a Special Access Program in the Department of Defense, on what legal basis would the President and Commander-in-Chief be denied access?

It is likely that the UFO topic is actually classified by one or more laws duly enacted by Congress in the late 1940s concerning national security — but without any overt reference to UFOs of course — and signed by President Truman. Only a handful of members of Congress, if any at all, would have known that more than Cold War issues were involved in this far-reaching national security legislation enacted at a time of near panic over a Soviet nuclear threat. There are at least two bins into which the UFO topic could have been placed such that a future President could not unilaterally release it (legally) or, in fact, maybe even know about it. One bin is the category of Restricted Data (RD) established by the Atomic Energy Act in 1946 and pertains to Special Nuclear Material (SNM); another bin would be what has since evolved into the Waived Special Access Program system set up under the authority of the National Security Council which traces back to the National Security Act signed by Truman in 1947 (interestingly only a couple of weeks after the Roswell episode).

That means that even if an incoming President asked someone who knew about the existence of such a program, that individual would be required by law to not only not tell the President, but also to actively mislead him, if necessary. (Such a policy is actually spelled out in controversial documents that researchers Ryan and Robert Wood obtained and traced back to CIA Director Allen Dulles in the 1950s. The source of these documents is unclear.) If a president today tried the same thing without the appropriate clearances (which he could not give to himself) he would likewise be told (legitimately) that there was nothing disclosable. If this hypothesis is correct, then UFO information would be “Born Secret” by the Atomic Energy Act, and not releasable to anyone without at least an AEC “Q” clearance (and likely higher, R or above), plus a legitimate need to use it in his/her job. By law, all RD is “owned” by the AEC Commissioner at its inception. The AEC clearance standards are somewhat different than executive branch standards. In order to grant a Q or higher clearance, the Commissioner must find that the applicant is of “good moral character,” among other things. Thus, if the Commissioner didn’t like Richard Nixon’s burglary at the Watergate Hotel, or Bill Clinton’s dalliances, the Commissioner could withhold access to RD even on those grounds.

A new President who wants to know what the government knows about UFOs would have to be persistent, clever, and informed before beginning the quest, as Clinton’s failed attempt via Associate Attorney General Webster Hubble attests. Simply issuing a presidential executive order declassifying the topic might yield the mistaken conclusion that there is no such material. The first step would be to determine under exactly what legal jurisdiction the matter is classified. This could best be accomplished by a small dedicated research team reporting directly and personally to the President with at least high enough clearances to be able to read all classified Presidential Decision Memoranda and the classified appendices to the Atomic Energy Act and the National Security Act.


27 posted on 12/21/2011 10:38:13 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Marxists from Mars.


28 posted on 12/21/2011 10:39:06 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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FWOTUS Pictures, Images and Photos
29 posted on 12/21/2011 10:48:31 AM PST by GraceG
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To: RoosterRedux
UFO Survey Reveals Many Americans Believe the Obama White House is Lying (corrected title)
30 posted on 12/21/2011 11:14:34 AM PST by douginthearmy (Leaning Newt)
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To: GraceG

LOLZ!!!!


31 posted on 12/21/2011 11:18:48 AM PST by R0CK3T
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To: RoosterRedux

If aliens exist - then God created them. We are not supposed to believe in the Creator and the miracle of the Universe.

Democrats are the only gods allowed.


32 posted on 12/21/2011 11:19:44 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason..)
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To: ILS21R

Did Dinosaurs Build Stonehenge?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDEyvS31Kq8


33 posted on 12/21/2011 11:22:41 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Flightdeck

99% is completely believable when you consider it was a survey conducted on a UFO website (where only people who believe in UFOs participate).


34 posted on 12/21/2011 11:44:20 AM PST by lwd
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To: BenLurkin
Did Dinosaurs Build Stonehenge?



"I saw this saucer shaped thing fly in annd land, and out stepped, RON PAUL"
35 posted on 12/21/2011 12:13:18 PM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: TSgt

At least we haven’t heard anything about Zero wanting to go to Level 28 in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex, and wanting a “test drive” on the Prometheus...


36 posted on 12/21/2011 12:22:40 PM PST by Biff55
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

Pinging the list..


37 posted on 12/21/2011 12:34:08 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave (VOTE GOP!)
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To: RoosterRedux
the mother wheel???

38 posted on 12/21/2011 3:17:41 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RoosterRedux
The illegal vote - doing the job citizens won't do.


39 posted on 12/21/2011 8:33:18 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: TSgt
Kennedy dead 10 days after asking about UFO's
40 posted on 12/22/2011 12:14:21 PM PST by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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