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To: fso301
fso301: "The churches spoke out plenty against the Nazis and thousands of clergy were thrown into concentration camps for doing so."

I think more than thousands, because thousands died there.
Here is one account, from just Poland:

"During the Nazi occupation, the Catholic Church in Poland experienced enormous clerical and material losses.
According to the latest research by W. Jacewicz and J. WoÅ›, in the years 1939–1945, 2,801 members of the clergy lost their lives; they were either murdered during the occupation or killed in military manoeuvres.

"Among them were 6 bishops, 1,926 diocesan priests and clerics, 375 priests and clerics from monastic orders, 205 brothers, and 289 sisters.
599 diocesan priests and clerics were killed in executions, as well as 281 members of the monastic clergy (priests, brothers and sisters).
Of the 1,345 members of the clergy murdered in death camps, 798 perished in Dachau, 167 in Auschwitz, 90 in Działdowo, 85 in Sachsenhausen, 71 in Gusen, 40 in Stutthof, and the rest in camps such as Buchenwald, Gross-Rosen, Mauthausen, Majdanek, Bojanowo, and others."

The numbers for Catholic and Protestant clergy killed in other countries were smaller, but totalled in the hundreds.

Indeed, these numbers killed only pale in comparison to those of other groups:

But if you think the Churches of Germany spoke out publicly against Nazi atrocities, then you might want to provide us with references to newspaper or radio reports of the time which spoke of such things.

I would suggest that such reports are almost non-existant, and even those which Homer has reproduced here, where the Pope refers to the plight of Catholics in Poland, are vague and unspecific to the point of being meaningless.

Of course, the churches have excuses, but that's what they are: excuses.
Churches do not deny the fact of their public silence.

10 posted on 12/15/2011 12:09:22 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
But if you think the Churches of Germany spoke out publicly against Nazi atrocities, then you might want to provide us with references to newspaper or radio reports of the time which spoke of such things.

For starters, I'd recommend you spend some time reviewing Homer's posts. Here are a couple of recent ones that come to mind.

Nov 09, 1941

Nov 12, 1941

I would suggest that such reports are almost non-existant, and even those which Homer has reproduced here, where the Pope refers to the plight of Catholics in Poland, are vague and unspecific to the point of being meaningless.

Just by reading what Homer posts, you should have been seeing one or two such reports per month. Then, in light of those times when suffering was universal throughout Europe, imagine the level to which something had to rise before being carried by foreign press.

11 posted on 12/15/2011 12:44:44 PM PST by fso301
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