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A good overview with several firearms featured. In case you're thinking about getting Junior or Bitty-Girl a firearm for Christmas.

Options for your child's first firearm

1 posted on 12/08/2011 4:11:36 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Ruger 10/22


2 posted on 12/08/2011 4:13:25 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: smokingfrog
Depends on what neighborhood you live in.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 4:13:49 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: smokingfrog

Bought my son a Henry .22


4 posted on 12/08/2011 4:17:56 PM PST by Gman (Anglican Priest)
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My first firearm was a Remington 581 bolt action .22. I still have it, 43 years later. Nice little gun. Today, I’d be inclined to go with a Ruger 10/22.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 4:19:57 PM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: smokingfrog
Good Idea!

And just ~$60 spent on ammo for same will allow the BATF and your local media to point out that you have an arsenal including thousand of rounds of bullets.

6 posted on 12/08/2011 4:20:05 PM PST by Paladin2
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CMP has several rifles and sometime something like a Mosberg M44 which was a US Army training rifle in 1944. There are a lot of target rifles and even training and materials.
10 posted on 12/08/2011 4:23:36 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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I think the first should be a single shot 410, but that should be followed up fairly quick with a single shot bolt action 22 rifle.


11 posted on 12/08/2011 4:25:14 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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I think a bolt action or the Ruger 10/22 is the way to go.
I would stay away from the tube fed magazine rifles like the Marlin 60.
Its a fine rifle but I don’t like the way you have to load it.
It could be a safety concern with a young child.


14 posted on 12/08/2011 4:28:12 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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I always wanted my dad’s old Remington Nylon 66.


15 posted on 12/08/2011 4:30:15 PM PST by EasySt (2012... Sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: smokingfrog

Bookmark for later reading...


17 posted on 12/08/2011 4:33:26 PM PST by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: smokingfrog
I remember receiving a bolt action, clip fed, .22 S-L-LR for Christmas. I loved it. I don't remember the make - Winchester, I think. I outfitted it w/ a leather sling and a basic scope. I grew up in a rural area and (thank God) a different time. I would sling the rifle and ride my bike to a local dirt quarry; everyone went there to plink. I would go through 100 or so rounds of LR - what ever my allowance and/or odd job earnings would allow.

No one thought anything of a boy with a rifle back then. Being "raised by a village" then meant that your parents were responsible adults. One phone call of observed improper behavior meant huge trouble. By one's teens gun safety and responsibility were mostly a done deal. These days if a 14 year old was riding a bike with a slung .22 I would estimate 10 to 15 minutes before the poor kid was surrounded by cops and a helicopter overhead.

In my twenties I sold it to a friend and regret doing so to this day. As a matter of fact, every single firearm that I have sold I still regret. The only one I don't regret not keeping is the one I gave to my best friend as a gift.

As a gift, any good quality rifle will do. My only advice is that you make your daughter or son promise unconditionally that they will not sell or give away the weapon until after they retire.

18 posted on 12/08/2011 4:34:36 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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Hard to beat the 10/22.

I’ve made it a bit of a mission to take friends of the liberal, anti-gun persuasion out shooting (and it WORKS, hehehe! More than one lifelong gun hater now has one!) and the 10/22 is just the easiest thing to put someone on. Yeah, I let ‘em shoot the .357, shotgun and even the 300 Win Mag, but later.

Accurate enough to make one get their breathing and mental focus together before progressing on to more expensive stuff.


24 posted on 12/08/2011 4:40:54 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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Options for your child's first firearm

Better think about what they, and their descendents, will need for the next thousand years of this New Dark Age.

27 posted on 12/08/2011 4:43:07 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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"The Rifles of Twelve April" for August 1999.

By Archy Copyright © 1999

The Rifles of Twelve April

The dot in time that was once April 12th, 1916 has passed, long ago, 83 years back, almost a century. And 1888 was more than a century ago, but some things stand the test of time and last for 80 years, or a hundred, or more. Things like that are said by some to "carry on like an old soldier."

When General Douglas MacArthur retired, he was quoted as having said that "Old soldiers never die- they just fade away...." Whether or not those are the precise words from that retirement speech, the statement's often incorrect, to be sure: some old soldiers go out in a blaze of glory, and some, like a stubborn old Army mule, just never quit.

I once stood on parade for a German General, Hepp, who was retiring after fifty years of service to the German army and the nation that his army served. Fifty years, good and bad, through victory and defeat, doing good- and evil. That was half a century of soldiering from an Old Soldier- an Alte Kamerad- who just didn't know how to quit.

General Hepp had less than half of the time in service though, of the Old Soldier who is the subject of these thoughts. The Old Soldier entered the service of his country's army in 1888, when cowboys were having shootouts in towns of the American West and when sail was still a most common means of propulsion of seagoing ships. The Old Soldier offered his virtues to the rifleman of the day: accuracy, reliability, power. Those are not bad virtues for the rifleman today, either.

The old soldier is the British Service Lee rifle, first adopted for Britain's military forces as the Lee-Metford with a black powder cartridge in 1888, and in 1895 redesignated the Lee-Enfield when changes were made to accomodate the then-new advances in ammunition brought by smokeless powders. By the time of the first World War at least a half-dozen variations or improvements had appeared, and the resulting model came to be known as the Short Magazine Lee-Enfield, helpfully abbreviated to S.M.L.E.

Irreverent soldiers, whose familiarity with their weapon must have bred some contempt, christened their new partner with a pronounciation of that abbreviation, just as today's soldiers pronounce as words some of the acronyms most familiar to them. "Smelly" became the name by which the battle rifle of the British soldier was known; the British poet Rudyard Kipling must have thought that name appropriate, even if he was more familiar with the service Martini singleshot rifle that preceded the adoption of the S.M.L.E.

Then came that Great War, the First World War, the one that carried the hope that it would be the War To End All Wars. Toward that noble purpose artillery, poison gas and the machinegun killed far more soldiers in that conflict than any one soldier's rifle, but for those who survived those other distractions of the Great War, the S.M.L.E. rifle proved to be a reliable companion upon whom life itself sometimes depended. The rifle did its job.

In the Imperial War Museum of England, one such survivor rests in honoured display. Carried in battle by Thomas Edward Lawrence- known in his time and place as Lawrence of Arabia- the rifle is marked with a golden inscription, once a present to Feisal, Prince of the Hashemite Arabians. No less a weapon of the combat shooter's craft for its adornment, it also carries carved into its wooden stock the mark 4.12.16, indicating the 12th of April, 1916, the date of the presentation to another user. Five notches also grace the rifle's slender foreend; their meaning is less well documented but obvious. One, a little larger than the others, is said to have been a rememberance of an officer who fell before the fire of the rifle held by that far-travelled shooter. But on the 12th of April, in long-ago 1916, T.E. Lawrence was prsented his S.M.L.E. rifle; so it is written.

Also written: that T.E. Lawrence, having passed his rifle into the hand of England's George V, from whose ownership it would eventually pass to that English museum of military treasures, would have the book of his life close following a motorcycle crash on the 13th of May, 1935. As it is written....

Other British officers would lead other soldiers of that failing empire, and many of them still carried the S.M.L.E. rifle. Although another improved "Number Four" model better suited for modern manufacture entered production by 1940, the S.M.L.E. soldiered on, with production continuing in the Empire's outposts of India and Australia. Even the Spitfire and Hurricane fighter airplanes that fought and won the Battle of Britain carried .303 machineguns in the same caliber as the S.M.L.E. rifle. They weren't the most modern tools available, even then, but they were what was on hand. They got the job done.

So another worldwide war came about; oh, bother. Eventually, it too was won and it ended and the armies that fought it were downsized. Newer, more modern weapons had been developed, and produced and fielded. And then little wars broke out, all over the place: Palestine and Greece, Burma and Malaya and even open insurrection against the Empire in India and Africa and Eire....The day of the Enfield was not quite yet over, the book of its life not yet closed.

But it was closing. Australian and Nepalese Gurkha troops carried their S.M.L.E. rifles to a war in a cold place called Korea, and some died with those rifles clutched in frozen hands. By 1955, the last regular production run of the S.M.L.E. was completed and manufacture was halted, after more than 65 years of production and service to Brittania and her people. The rifles remained in existance though, and a few still soldier on, still delivering their reliable faithful service to their operators.

The rifle that once guarded the interests of the British Empire was again recently heard as Afghan Mujhadin, some of whom remain armed with their faithful S.M.L.E. to this day, shot holes in the infidel invaders from The Soviet Union who had defiled their holy mountain homelands. On the other side of a troubled globe, news photographs of recent unrest in Mexico's troubled provinces proved that the S.M.L.E. could be found there too, in the hands of the descendents of Zapata and Pancho Villa. Though they may not have known it, the Afghani tribesman and Mexican peasant, though different in almost every way, shared at least one thing in common: their S.M.L.E. rifles.

One of the last S.M.L.E. rifles to leave the factory in India recently came my way. It had been abused but not ruined; some care and some cleaning has cured its little faults and it can now again withstand a soldier's close inspection. It could, I suppose, hang on a wall in a treasured place, like that one in the museum in England. But it was not given to me by a Prince of the Desert and I am not T.E. Lawrence, and besides: That is not the role for which this rifle was meant.

Just so. On the 12th of April, of 1996, the rifle was passed as a gift to another, Just as Lawrence's S.M.L.E. passed from factory to soldier, soldier to Prince, Prince to Lawrence and Lawrence to King- and with a few others in between- and thence, eventually but perhaps not finally, to that museum.

The 12th of April in 1996 happened to be my son's birthday, his 12th. He received the S.M.L.E. from India. one of the last ones made, as a present, celebrating the anniversary of his birth. He was young for such a gift, but not too young; I think that T.E. Lawrence, if he were still around, would have approved; and surely old Prince Feisal would have understood. So, as Lawrence of Arabia once passed along a rifle that he had received and used, so was the S.M.L.E. from faraway India passed to my son on his birthday on the 12th of April, 1996. As it is written...So shall it be!

Lawrence's Enfield Rifle, ot the Imperial War Museum, on loan from H.M. the Queen.

30 posted on 12/08/2011 4:48:07 PM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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A single shot, bolt action .22 rifle.

My first was a Winchester Model 67. If you can find one, or something similar, they make a great 1st firearm. When I was a boy and we were looking looking for my first rifle, my dad was looking at a semi-auto. A wise, old salesman at Bain & Davis in San Gabriel, CA, steered us toward that Winchester. He told us that a young shooter is forced to slow down and make each shot count with a rifle like it. A semi-auto invites the child to use it like a big noise maker; blasting ammo away without learning marksmanship.

I still have that rifle and taught both my wife and my daughter how to shoot using it. I’m really glad that we followed that old salesman’s advice.


32 posted on 12/08/2011 4:50:58 PM PST by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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My first was a sinlge shot lever action .22.

2nd was Ruger 10/22


35 posted on 12/08/2011 4:52:32 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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Mine got a used Winchester 67 in good condition I picked up at an auction. I think I paid $65 for it.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 5:00:49 PM PST by tacticalogic
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One issue to consider is that your child will grow up. A youth rifle will likely be outgrown in a few years. You might want to look at something like the S&W .22 caliber version of the AR-15, with adjustable stock. They won't outgrow it.
41 posted on 12/08/2011 5:05:48 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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At age 6, I learned on a Mini-14 chambered for .223. I could handle it, but my first gun as a kid was an Iver Johnson .22. I don’t know where the IJ is, but the Mini-14 is with me, still after 30 years.


44 posted on 12/08/2011 5:10:02 PM PST by Celerity
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hey Breeze - take a gander at this thread!!!!!


48 posted on 12/08/2011 5:22:40 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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