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To: Secret Agent Man
What REASONABLE PERSON - which I suggest you are not - would EVER expect that a woman would do this knowing the guy didn’t want kids b/c of the condom being used? And then go behind his back and run to a sperm bank to save it?!?!

You’re as bad as a liberal justifying crazy womens’ behavior. Like the guy is the evil person here and the woman’s the entitled victim. Gimme a break.

I never said one should expect this behavior. You are putting words in my mouth.

To say I am unreasonable simply because I suggest that people should exhibit self restraint means you must adhere to the "everyone does it, we can't control ourselves" mentality that is closer to the liberal philosophy than my philosophy of self control and responsibility.

But, the intentional result she created is the same as if the condom broke. There is a reason they can't put 100% effective on the box. And I speak from experience; my first wife got pregnant while on birth control and we had an "unexpected blessing".

So, again, the only 100% way to prevent the situation of having a child with someone you did not want to is to abstain from sex with that person. Anything else, you are simply lowering the chances and giving yourself a false sense of security.

And the moral issue of sex outside of marriage is partially based on this very prospect - the chance of procreation and the commitment required for raising that child. Therefore, you should only be having sex with someone you have a committed, trust-based relationship with.

114 posted on 11/28/2011 9:43:18 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan

You clearly don’t get what I meant by “expect”. It had nothing to do with you. It wasn’t an active term describing you. Read it a little more carefully.

In a sinless world I’d agree people would have perfect control. Jesus would also not have had to die for us either. I’d have rather nobody ever sinned and we all could live perfectly. But that isn’t the world we’re in.

I’d prefer people not to have sex outside of marriage as well. But there are differences in consequences to bad actions. When people are irresponsible it’s hard to feel bad for them. If you are going to have sex and don’t want kids, there are things you can do to be responsible and take precautions to prevent pregnancy.

To say this guy deserved this is just wrong.

What about the woman exercising self-control? You don’t even mention her. She’s a freaking wack nutjob for what she did. Where’s your equal or greater condemnation for what she did?

And to simplify things saying the end result in both cases is rdiculous and myopic because by stating that you’re saying the “how it happened” is meaningless, and you could not be more wrong. One person hasn’t pre-meditated to deliberately circumvent protective measures clearly against the will of the other person.

The guy never had a chance because he was not dealing with the woman honestly. If she had come out and said “I know you don’t want kids but I’m going to take the condoms and take them to a sperm lab so I can impregnate myself”, do you really think the guy would have still had sex with her and let her take the condoms? I know all the guys I know would have said “no sex”. When one party deliberately misleads the other party, it’s called fraud. She mislead him into believing she was okay with him using protection ,maybe even lied and said she wanted him to.

I agree it’d be better to wait until marriage but this was a setup. She is a far, far worse person than this guy was. They are both equally to blame for the sex, but she is a much worse person for doing the additional things she did and should not profit one dime for her conniving scheming.


116 posted on 11/28/2011 10:13:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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