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Michael Reagan: My Dad Would Support Newt's Position On Illegal Immigration
YouTube ^ | November 23, 2011

Posted on 11/23/2011 1:35:28 PM PST by yorkie

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To: ExpatGator

No sale. The borders were barely on the radar way back then.

That was a totally completely different era with a total different set of facts.

That occurred that was *before* we were totally inundated upwards of 30 million illegals in the past 20 years.

It’s become so bad in the past decade or two, there is now a war on the Texas border, as these millions have completely choked off, subverted and undermined our entire system.

Again, nice try.


81 posted on 11/23/2011 5:39:31 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

The problem may be many times worse now but it was on the radar then in CO. I recall well the influx of illegals into construction in the early ‘80s causing wages to remain low.


82 posted on 11/23/2011 6:39:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

The great epic migration of illegal aliens, upwards of 20 million, came under 8 years of the Bush’s presidency, while he celebrated Cinco De Mayo up in the White House.

Never forget.


83 posted on 11/23/2011 6:47:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Actually much of that occurred in the ‘90s under Clinton. But I even recall the pressure on construction wages in the ‘70s.


84 posted on 11/23/2011 6:51:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

I would leave out your very first priority. I personally don’t think the law has the right to force private citizens to enforce the law.


85 posted on 11/23/2011 6:55:24 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: TigersEye; dragnet2

Its pointless to argue about when it happened. The “when” is different for different parts of the country. southern california was inundated with illegals in the 70s. The corn belt wasn’t inundated until the 90s.


86 posted on 11/23/2011 6:58:40 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I would only expect the government to force employers to obey the law. Be that as it may; I would drop border security. If the other four were done there would be very few people crossing the border and the BP could easily handle those who did.


87 posted on 11/23/2011 7:00:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Yep, Clinton too...But nothing like the tsunami of illegals which entered during the Bush years. Clinton and Bush rode in the same limo, as did most of the others in D.C.


88 posted on 11/23/2011 7:02:39 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye

Just who the hell do you think employers are? THEY ARE PRIVATE CITIZENS. Its not an employer’s responsibility to ascertain which SS numbers are fake ans which are not.

The burden should be on the law to PROVE the employer knowingly hired an illegal alien...which is very nearly impossible to prove unless the employer admits to it.


89 posted on 11/23/2011 7:04:44 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: TigersEye

My opinion is if you just do my top two, you will eliminate more than 50%% of illegal immigrants in the short term...but more importantly, you will eliminate a legal voting block which votes in favor of illegal immigration in the long term.


90 posted on 11/23/2011 7:08:20 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
The “when” is different for different parts of the country. southern california was inundated with illegals in the 70s.

BS...No it wasn't, not even close. I likely forgot more about California than you ever knew.

The waves of illegals really started in the mid to late 80s...The big push across the borders starting in the early 90s when an endless conga-line of tens of millions came across...It's was like a Boston marathon of millions...

It was relentless all the way up to what we have today.

Nothing compares to the epic invasion we've witnessed for the past 20 years.

91 posted on 11/23/2011 7:12:09 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

BS

oxnard was all mexican in the 70s...so were the other little farming communities that got swallowed up by LA


92 posted on 11/23/2011 7:16:24 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: dragnet2

You likely don’t know your a$$ from a hole in the ground


93 posted on 11/23/2011 7:18:00 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: jneesy
You are clueless. I have a cousin married to a green card then naturalized Hispanic. She is now a PhD and teaching at a Western University. She has been helping 'immigrants' to work their way into the system for decades. I won't give you the details, but as each has become a well educated, productive member of American society, each has been given help in fixing the illegal status to legal, by our own federal government. You are clueless, truly.

I will give you this though, the productive majority of the Hispanic community absolutely detest the criminal elements now endangering the nation the productive Hispanics are working to uphold.

94 posted on 11/23/2011 7:23:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: mamelukesabre; TigersEye
Its not an employer’s responsibility to ascertain which SS numbers are fake ans which are not.

That's the problem. Laws needed to be changed 25 years ago, which should have *forced* employers to submit employee SS numbers for verification, among other things. The landscape is *littered* with corrupt, unscrupulous employers.

The corrupt employers have been one of the biggest problems all along.

95 posted on 11/23/2011 7:23:20 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mamelukesabre
You idiot, Oxnard in the 1970s was 90 percent farm land...Ya think illegals might have been there...lol

I'm talking about an epic invasion that took over entire major cities...Anyone home??

96 posted on 11/23/2011 7:25:18 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye

I would put your fourth as first and immediately. Your fifth needs tempering though. The law can be a cruel mistress but need not be. Legislators tend to be too lazy to do the particulars which give law a touch of godly grace. I suggest that it is not in the best interest of the Republic nor the Republicans todeport the wage earner in a household with small children and a wife who is legal but not earning a wage. Your mileage may vary, FRiend.


97 posted on 11/23/2011 7:27:38 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: TigersEye; mamelukesabre
Exactly, if ya don't go after the corrupt employers, you'd better put up a steel 40 foot wall with gun towers.

Those suggesting much of the responsibility does not lay at the feet of corrupt employers, is either naive, or lying.

98 posted on 11/23/2011 7:31:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Waryone

Please, you try to generalize the entire of the Vuban community? I recall a certain little boy named Elian who was an ‘illegal’ whom the Cuban community felt should have been protected from sinkEmperor’s unJustice department deportation. America wants productive, family oriented immigration and has a way to legitimize even the illegals on a case by case basis. I can prove that with my own cousin’s wife who started out as an illegal and is now a naturalized citizen and very productive American. I’m extremely proud of her.


99 posted on 11/23/2011 7:31:28 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Waryone
Please, you try to generalize the entire of the Cuban community? I recall a certain little boy named Elian who was an 'illegal' whom the Cuban community felt should have been protected from sinkEmperor's unJustice department deportation. The term Rick used comes to mind in the way clintoon used that little boy to pl;ay political chess tiddlywinks fro his own aggrandizement.

America wants productive, family oriented immigration and has a way to legitimize even the illegals on a case by case basis. I can prove that with my own cousin's wife who started out as an illegal and is now a naturalized citizen and very productive American. I'm extremely proud of her.

100 posted on 11/23/2011 7:33:31 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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