Posted on 11/18/2011 9:55:32 PM PST by smokingfrog
It is the debate that has been raging between generations of science fiction fans.
But Star Trek star William Shatner believed he had delivered the coup de grace two months ago when he delivered a stinging critique he thought proved his franchise was superior.
But there is a new hope for Star Wars fans, as original cast member Carrie Fisher has struck back with a rebuke that could return the Jedi-filled universe back to prominence.
In a somewhat rambling YouTube video, the Princess Leia star let rip on the rival sci fi favourite.
She said: 'They are not in the same league. i mean they have the word star in the title, and there is space travel.
'Where do they go to, Klingon? It just sounds like a laundry detergent.'
The successful actress and author had a list of grievances with the television and movie franchise that she said made it inferior, including lacklustre visuals, make-up, toys and video games.
She said: 'Show me a special effect, maybe they are just effects, they are not called special effects.
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Williams got the theme credit, but a solo “music” credit (he was “Johnny” Williams back then) when he did the score, too. The others got screen credit when they did original scores, not when music was reused (such as Herrmann’s, which must have ticked him off—he flew into a rage when Jerry Goldsmith’s “Music by” credit appeared on a TV episode of something while Herrmann’s THEME music was playing).
I surrender!
BTW, that’s not the Phase II Enterprise, but the final design used in the movie—that image is the movie poster art when the movie was already being filmed, from Andy Probert’s design. Nothing to do with the TV proposal, which looked very different.
When it comes to dialogue, Star Trek hands down.
SW 4-6 were good, some funny bits. SW 1-3 were awful. Agonizingly tripe dialogue. Hayden Christenson could play a great chair on Broadway anytime.
I can picture Williams as an incredible prima donna. I’ve always thought he was overrated (including his Star Wars work.) I much prefer James Horner’s music.
Still, Harry let the Genie out of the bottle. The realistic tone is what I like. And the lack of flash. Such as the interior of the space ship. Pure minimalism.
Can't be. Look at the deflector dish.
Don’t blame Christenson. Look at the way Lucas had an oscar quality actress saying her lines.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5267/5675397003_0bf576649b_z.jpg
It is. The teaser was put out before the FX were even underway, so it was based on the initial ideas.
A Ralph McQuarrie design.
A better shot of the teaser poster, sorry I don't do the link thingees, am an old man and can't handle technology.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimroyal/5675397003/
Actually, Horner is a mga-MEGA prima donne—he’s known for yelling at players in the orchestras. He also was criticized for directly ripping off Jerry Goldsmith in a couple of his early scores (not ‘influenced’ or whatever, but note-by-note steals) and claimed he never even heard of Jerry Goldsmith, which is hilarious because he dated Goldsmith’s daughter a couple of years before.
Williams has had his moments—Randy Newman laughs about how he got WIlliams worked up just by telling him how much a drummer in the orchestra was being paid (like Williams should begrudge a guy a living)—but a friend had dinner with him a couple of times and said he was very nice and polite to my friend, who was a nobody in the business.
Whatever I may think of Williams’s scores (some good, most just blah), he did something amazing with Star Wars. While I love some of Horner’s music (Brainstorm, the two Treks, Bobby Jones), he steals. A lot.
I always thought Horner stole from himself...a lot. Namely from The Wrath of Khan. Just listen to the Aliens soundtrack. He used the same music for the same scene...When Enterprise pops up behind Reliant and in Aliens when the shuttle arrives just in time to save Ripley and Newt.
I think the original Star Trek (the 1960s series) was light years better than anything ever made regarding Sci-fi and here’s why: It forced the audience to use it’s imagination which will aways trump the greatest special effects and the greatest attention to detail. It was a low budget show that reused a lot of effects and props (even music) which worked in it’s favor making it more surreal. If you took it literally it was a joke. Kirk and Spock dressed as Nazis or gangsters or seeing the Alice in wonderland bunny on a planet. But that is what made it great. Life in outerspace is the unknown and it made your imagination fly rather than limit you with sharp definitions. Star Wars is more a Pirate movie and don’t even get me started on Star trek the Next Generation which I like to call Star Trek the anal retentive politically correct version. That show got me so nauseous when it first came out I half expected Picard to start licking Number twos crack hole which is why they probably called him number two. I mean my God, they even had a shrink on the bridge. WTF?
I think the original Star Trek (the 1960s series) was light years better than anything ever made regarding Sci-fi and here’s why: It forced the audience to use it’s imagination which will aways trump the greatest special effects and the greatest attention to detail. It was a low budget show that reused a lot of effects and props (even music) which worked in it’s favor making it more surreal. If you took it literally it was a joke. Kirk and Spock dressed as Nazis or gangsters or seeing the Alice in wonderland bunny on a planet. But that is what made it great. Life in outerspace is the unknown and it made your imagination fly rather than limit you with sharp definitions. Star Wars is more a Pirate movie and don’t even get me started on Star trek the Next Generation which I like to call Star Trek the anal retentive politically correct version. That show got me so nauseous when it first came out I half expected Picard to start licking Number twos crack hole which is why they probably called him number two. I mean my God, they even had a shrink on the bridge. WTF?
“May the force be with you” ?
IIRC, Shatner stated in the SciFi Channel ST:TOS redo some years back, that they used his own kitchen stools for the Enterprise bridge stations.
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