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To: Pelham

There are some nice Caddy’s out these days. They look good and have very good performance (comparable with the German stuff). However I’m not willing to give any money to the companies that got bailed out, so I won’t be considering them in the future. Shame Ford doesn’t make a decent luxury sport sedan.

As for the Mustangs, I can’t imagine why anyone would find those appealing. Yes, they look good, and are quick in a straight line. But with a solid axle rear suspension, they are laughable in the corners. I cannot understand why the car magazine in question would possibly give them any great review. Again, while I won’t be giving money to Government Motors, the Camaro is pretty clearly a better performance platform. It’s got a better engine and better suspension(ooh, an independent rear suspension, gee you can get that on a bloody $15k Corolla or Elantra, but you can’t get that on a Mustang).


6 posted on 11/14/2011 9:55:01 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: drbuzzard

” But with a solid axle rear suspension, they are laughable in the corners. I cannot understand why the car magazine in question would possibly give them any great review. Again, while I won’t be giving money to Government Motors, the Camaro is pretty clearly a better performance platform. It’s got a better engine and better suspension(ooh, an independent rear suspension, gee you can get that on a bloody $15k Corolla or Elantra, but you can’t get that on a Mustang).”

The spirit of Henry Ford I just hasn’t quite gone away. He hung onto the single leaf rear suspension (one spring for both wheels) long after it ceased to be appealing to customers.


8 posted on 11/14/2011 10:04:55 AM PST by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: drbuzzard; RoadTest

I don’t see any reason to avoid GM because of the bailout. After all Chrysler got bailed out in 1979.

I’m not against temporary assistance to major American industries as long as it is temporary and the taxpayer gets fully repaid. The Arsenal of Democracy was called that for a reason, and Peter Navarro’s “Death by China” is a worthy addition to this argument.

The Caddies are striking in appearance but I haven’t seen anything about how they perform. I’d like to find that GM has implemented what W. Edwards Deming taught the Japanese. There was a time when “Made in America” meant quality.


9 posted on 11/14/2011 10:48:54 AM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: drbuzzard

Quote - “Yes, they look good, and are quick in a straight line. But with a solid axle rear suspension, they are laughable in the corners.”

Might I point you toward the posted lap times?

Laguna Seca lap times:
BMW M3 1:42.96
Audi R8 1:40.75
BOSS 302 1:40.21

Even the GT can keep up with the M3.


10 posted on 11/14/2011 10:57:54 AM PST by Sledge
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To: drbuzzard; Pelham; RoadTest
As for the Mustangs, I can’t imagine why anyone would find those appealing. Yes, they look good, and are quick in a straight line. But with a solid axle rear suspension, they are laughable in the corners. I cannot understand why the car magazine in question would possibly give them any great review. Again, while I won’t be giving money to Government Motors, the Camaro is pretty clearly a better performance platform.

One reason that I can see why you "can't imagine" and "cannot understand" things is because you don't bother to read what's posted right in front of you.

As far as Laguna Seca track times go (i.e. CORNERING), the BOSS is not only far outpacing everything in its class, it's besting cars that are multiple times its sticker price - Porcshe, the M3, Vettes, Mercedes AMG, even the V12 Aston Martin.

Laguna Seca track times are posted above. LS is one of the toughest proving grounds for handling available, which is why it's looked to as a benchmark. Here's what the track looks like:

As far as the Camaro goes, depsite the fact that the Camaro runs a 6.2 liter engine compared to the 5.0 liter engine in the BOSS, the BOSS literally destroys it in every manner, 1/4 mile, 0-60, 1 mile straight drag and lap times on every track where both have run.

15 posted on 11/14/2011 11:48:50 AM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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