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What iPhones really cost: We reveal, piece by piece, what it actually cost Apple to make the 4S
Daily Mail ^ | 11/12/11

Posted on 11/12/2011 3:55:11 PM PST by markomalley

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To: markomalley

Apple’s competitors can easily copy and reverse engineer this 4s. And they will. iPhone is headed to commodity status same as the iPod which drowned in a sea of Sansa mp3 players and clones on Sansa mp3 players


21 posted on 11/13/2011 3:26:01 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing. What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-- Sting)
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To: markomalley

So why has Verizon been subsidizing iPhone sales?!


22 posted on 11/13/2011 3:28:32 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: mewzilla
Verizon to pay $5bn for iPhone subsidies in 2011
23 posted on 11/13/2011 3:30:52 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: markomalley
The cost of the parts is one thing; the cost of figuring out what can be made (and specifically and precisely how to make it) that will sell for more than the cost of its production is another thing entirely.

Flash back to congressional debates over the development and production of military aircraft, and the issue of development cost was huge. And, in the Washington way, was debated in convoluted terms. Congressmen who advocated for a new development low balled the cost of development by assuming that an enormous number of planes of the proposed model would be built - making the cost of the development project seem relatively incidental on a per-aircraft basis.

I worked for Grumman, which had the F-14 in production when the F-17/F-18 development were issues. Ultimately there were three development efforts involved: F-17, F-18, and - although it appears to be the same plane and is designated as if it were the same plane - the F-18E/F model. The latter has of course some interchangeable parts, but it is actually a scaled up version whose development and testing was tantamount to the development of an entirely new model. Its "F-18" designation is a fraud. And after all that, the Navy has less mission capability than the F-14 provided. Granted that the 14E/F is probably more fun to fly, but its short range is a constraint on the whole fleet, which could lose you ships.


24 posted on 11/13/2011 5:42:23 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: dennisw
the iPod which drowned in a sea of Sansa mp3 players

/snicker

25 posted on 11/13/2011 5:51:13 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: PLMerite

What evidence do you have for semi slave labor being involved?


26 posted on 11/13/2011 5:58:16 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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“What evidence do you have for semi slave labor being involved?”

If they’re made in China, I’m sure it’s done in sweatshop conditions for sub-wstern-minimum-wage. Might be good money for china though.


27 posted on 11/13/2011 7:08:34 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite

You have no evidence to back up your statement. You are just blowing smoke


28 posted on 11/13/2011 7:21:45 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: dennisw
Apple’s competitors can easily copy and reverse engineer this 4s. And they will. iPhone is headed to commodity status same as the iPod which drowned in a sea of Sansa mp3 players and clones on Sansa mp3 players

Yes, it's sad how the iPod was relegated to a measly 80% market share.

Back in the Usenet days, there was an art to trolling. The best trolls wove a subtle tapestry of feigned cluelessness, usually with some fishing-related terms in the "keywords" header as a hint. It's sad to see the ham-handed and disreputable state trolling has fallen to.

"You obviously don’t know how big Manny Pacquiao is across Asia. Billions of Asians are going buy HP’s TouchPad due to him. Apple will lose 98% of their Asian sales ... The HP TouchPad is something like the iPad v. 6.0" -- dennisw

29 posted on 11/13/2011 7:47:46 AM PST by ReignOfError
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iPod was relegated to a measly 80% market share.

Prove it. Mo jive Apple propaganda from you. Most people don't blow their money on iPods. There are cheaper (and just as good) alternatives. This is from 2006 maybe you can find something more recent.

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.Market-share update: Zune down, iPod and Sansa up comment: 16 | Thursday, December 07 (2006) 04:09PM | Posted by Lone The market researchers known as the NPD Group have been keeping an eye on how well the various DAP contenders are doing thus far this holiday season. After a respectable 2nd place showing during its first week of sales, Microsoft's Zune has dropped down to a 5th place tie for the last week of November, joining the digital audio gurus at Disney (*cough*). Apple and SanDisk on the other hand have been scoring big with holiday shoppers, with each company sitting pretty at about 39% market-share for the same week. Creative and Memorex round out the top five in 3rd and 4th place, respectively.

http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.3790

30 posted on 11/13/2011 8:29:17 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing. What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-- Sting)
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To: ReignOfError

iPod was relegated to a measly 80% market share. >>>>>>>>>>

Keep dreaming. My biggest lol this week


31 posted on 11/13/2011 8:30:13 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing. What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-- Sting)
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To: markomalley

Does this count the about $400 million Apple invested in companies to design the custom CPU?


32 posted on 11/13/2011 12:58:35 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: markomalley

I wonder if these guys ever priced out what the parts to put together a car for the manufacturer is compared to what it would cost to buy he parts yourself and put the car together?

Probably not, no way to knock Apple in that exercise, but I am guessing it would run in to multiples of tens. Maybe hundreds.


33 posted on 11/13/2011 1:38:30 PM PST by itsahoot (There was a bloodless coup in 08, and no one seemed to notice. God help us.)
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I wonder if these guys ever priced out what the parts to put together a car for the manufacturer is compared to what it would cost to buy he parts yourself and put the car together?

Nor does it factor in the price Apple paid to manufacture the machines to MAKE the parts... or the support that follows post sale... or the advertising to sell the product... or the shipping... and everything is really speculation on the part of iSuppli on what the discounts are on the parts. They really don't know because such discounts are a trade secret! As I noted earlier... they forgot to include the cost of the A5 processor. My, what an oversight!

34 posted on 11/13/2011 5:18:03 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: dennisw; Swordmaker

what?


35 posted on 11/13/2011 8:07:04 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: dennisw

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/3fd597e8-0627-11e1-ad0e-00144feabdc0.html

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/10/04/apple-has-sold-300m-ipods-currently-holds-78-of-the-music-player-market/

http://kensegall.com/blog/2011/03/ipod-apples-quiet-monopoly/

http://gagagadget.com/wordpress/2011/03/zune-falls-before-ipods-market-share/


36 posted on 11/13/2011 8:07:18 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: markomalley
What does a pencil cost to make?

Car? A Bluray player? Can of Campbell Cream of Mushroom soup? Toenail clipper? 8-track tape player you're getting for Xmas?

37 posted on 11/13/2011 8:11:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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iPod has 78% of the mp3/mp4 player market.....
Looks like you are correct about Apple brainwashing all those young skulls full of mush. Not that hard to do really just ask the liberal college professors. As far as I go and others...We just buy a Sansa mp3/mp4 player and we are good to go at 1/3 the rip-off pricing on iPods

Me— I take a 1-2 hour fast walk with a cheapo generic mp3 player w my favorite tunes on it. Why on earth would I pay more for an iPod? I leave that to easily hypnotized young consumers.


38 posted on 11/14/2011 5:42:27 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing. What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-- Sting)
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